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Re: Reaching APASE and people like them -- a reposting
The question is: why does he believe it? This has always puzzled me, as
John Gofman certainly is (was) a first-rate scientist, and I do not mean to
impugn either his qualifications or his early publications.
Ruth Weiner
ruth_weiner@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Cohen <jjcohen@prodigy.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Reaching APASE and people like them -- a reposting
>I can testify that John Gofman is scientifically literate and is certainly
>no dummy. The problem is that he is familiar with material from the NCRP,
>ICRP, and BEIR committee, and really believes it.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ruth_weiner <ruth_weiner@email.msn.com>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Reaching APASE and people like them -- a reposting
>
>
>>>A current graduate of Reed College is required to take a full year
>sequence
>>of
>>>some science (chemistry, physics, or a biological science, including
>>>laboratory). Depending on major, he or she might take quite a bit more
>>than
>>>that. In addition, they must take a year of one of the "soft" sciences
>and
>>a
>>>year of either mathematics and formal logic or a foreign language. I
>>suspect
>>>the graduation requirements were similar when Ms. Warren graduated from
>>Reed.
>>
>>I know I sound like an academic elitist snob, but just having "taken" a
>year
>>of chemistry or biology, etc, could mean a lot or a little. What were her
>>grades in these classes (does Reed give grades?) What were the
>>qualification s of her teachers? In my decades of teaching I saw, believe
>>me, lots of crummy students and fair amount of crummy science teaching.
I
>>am somewhat familiar with basic science teaching at a couple of
>>undergraduate programs similar to Reed, and the qualityt of physical
>science
>>teaching varies greatly.
>>
>>
>>>Ms. Warren's bio raised for me the question -- Why are those of us who
>>advocate
>>>a role for nuclear energy losing the battle for the minds of the
Catherine
>>>Warrens of the world?
>>
>>Because the John Gofmans and Marvin Resnikoffs of this world have a
>>glitzier, more appealing message, and some credentials to back it up, and
>>the APASE site is hardly the work of an intellectual giant. I believe a
>>more important queston is: why have we (whoever "we" are) lost the John
>>Gofmans of this world?
>>
>>Ruth Weiner
>>ruth_weiner@msn.com
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dukelow, James S Jr <jim.dukelow@pnl.gov>
>>To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:43 AM
>>Subject: FW: Reaching APASE and people like them -- a reposting
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I am reposting my earlier message about difficulties in reaching APASE,
>>because
>>>it was truncated by the RADSAFE "From" bug, causing the loss of some of
>the
>>most
>>>relevant information.
>>>
>>>In response to Jane Bragg's question, "Why hasn't Ms Warren studied any
>>>science?":
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ms. Warren's bio raised for me the question -- Why are those of us who
>>advocate
>>>a role for nuclear energy losing the battle for the minds of the
Catherine
>>>Warrens of the world?
>>>
>>>Best regards.
>>>
>>>Jim Dukelow
>>>Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
>>>Richland, WA
>>>jim.dukelow@pnl.gov
>>>
>>>These commenst are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by my
>>>management or by the U.S. Department of Energy.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dukelow, James S Jr
>>>Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:24 PM
>>>To: 'radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu'
>>>Subject: Reaching APASE and people like them
>>>
>>>
>>>An interesting thing happened to the comments that I sent to APASE
>>regarding the
>>>energy information on their "educational" web site.
>>>
>>>They bounced.
>>>
>>>After some investigation, it appears that the APASE web sites (roughly
the
>>same
>>>material appears several different places on the web) are sailing like
>some
>>>ghost vessel through cyberspace, trailing a slick of toxic
disinformation,
>>with
>>>noone on board capable of correcting the errors.
>>>
>>>All of the email addresses I found for APASE have bounced. The phone
>>number
>>>given on the APASE site has been busy all afternoon, so I can't tell
>>whether it
>>>is still APASE. All of the web pages carry 1995 or 1996 copyright
notices
>>or
>>>indicate that they were last modified in that time frame.
>>>
>>>The web sites suggest that the primary driver for the energy information
>is
>>a
>>>woman named Catherine Warren. A web search turned up some interesting
>>>information.
>>>
>>>She is a graduate of Reed College, with a Master's in Journalism from
>>Columbia
>>>University. She has been living in Vancouver, BC for at least the last 5
>>years
>>>and working in area of new media. She has written 25 books and magazine
>>series
>>>on science and computing for children and adults and has produced 15
>>websites.
>>>Her clients and corporate partners include CTV, Northern Telecom, BC Tel,
>>Sun
>>>Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard, and Microsoft, book, magazine, and web
>>>publishers, federal and provincial ministries, and universities and
>>schools.
>>>Much of her effort has been directed toward science education, with a
>>particular
>>>focus on science education for girls.
>>>
>>>During the years of (nee "From") 1996 to 1999, she was the Vancouver
>>Aquarium's
>>>Director of Education and Community Programs. One of her innovations was
>>>OrcaFM, a 24/7 all-whale FM radio station. She and her web sites and
>>>educational programs have received a number of awards. She is currently
>>the
>>>chief operating officer of Blue Zone Entertainment, Inc., a company
>founded
>>in
>>>1988 by her and her husband, with 50 employees and 1999 sales of $1.3
>>million
>>>(Canadian?).
>>>
>>>She appears to be bright, well-educated, and entrepreneurial and it would
>>appear
>>>that her views on energy and the environment are being formed or
>influenced
>>by
>>>the David Suzukis of the world.
>>>
>>>You can find additional information about Ms. Warren at the Blue Zone web
>>site,
>>><www.bluezone.net>.
>>>
>>>Reed College has a 250 kw Triga research reactor.
>>>
>>>Best regards.
>>>
>>>Jim Dukelow
>>>Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
>>>Richland, WA
>>>jim.dukelow@pnl.gov
>>>
>>>These comments are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by my
>>>management or by the U.S. Department of Energy.
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