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Re: Experimental Proof of Hormesis



What's this "vested interest" accusation about?  Let me go on record here on
RADSAFE:

"conflict of interest" means money and only money; that is, if I am paid a
fee to make an analysis for the Yucca Mountain Project, I would have a
conflict of interest if I were also paid a fee to critique the project.  If,
on the other hand, I go of my own volition to a public meeting,or submit a
comment, asking that the FFTF not be shut down, I have no conflict of
itnerest at all, since I am not paid for any activity that has anything to
do with FFTF.

The applicable definition of "vested interest" (from Webster's) is "a
special concern in maintaining or influencing a condition or arrangement or
action."  I certainly have a vested interest in ideas I have developed or
agree with, and I expect Fritz Seiler also has. That doesn't mean we can't
be convinced to change our minds, but there's nothing wrong with having a
vested interest in an idea.

Ruth Weiner
ruth_weiner@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Hinks <harryhinks@hotmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Experimental Proof of Hormesis


>Mr. Seiller,
>
>I don't understand your statements below.  In postings in the archives on
>this subject, I notice even Dr. Cohen does not agree with you.  How do you
>expect other people with no vested interest?
>
>Harry Hinks
>harryhinks@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>>From: "Fritz A. Seiler" <faseiler@nmia.com>
>>Reply-To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>>To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>>Subject: Experimental Proof of Hormesis
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:18:38 -0600 (CST)
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>The current thread on hormesis on RADSAFE seems to imply that there is
>>no valid experimental confirmation.  Well, that is what the Linear Mafia
>>wants you to think!  Fortunately, wanting it does not make it so.  That
>>is why that same Linear Mafia has hurled all kinds of 'bombs' at the
>>Shipyard worker study and at Bernie Cohen's study of the Radon/Lung
>>cancer mortality correlation.
>>
>>On their own merits, both experiments strongly contradict the Linear
>>No-threshold (LNT) Model.  Against the Shipyard worker study, there are
>>nothing except handwaving arguments without solid numerical foundation.
>>Against Bernie's measurements there are a number of papers with
>>arguments using non-numerical claims of confounding factors resulting in
>>the "Ecological Fallacy". According to the Mafia, that fallacy makes the
>>data useless for risk assessment purposes.
>>
>>Joe Alvarez and I have shown the fallacy argument to be invalid, and the
>>raw Cohen data to be the only scientific basis for a valid risk
>>assessment.  We made our case in a paper now published as a
>>'Perspective' in the December issue of HERA:
>>
>>F.A. Seiler and J.L. Alvarez ,"Is the 'Ecological Fallacy" a
>>Fallacy?" Human and Ecological Risk Assessment, vol. 6,
>>921-941 (2000).
>>
>>By demonstrating that the use of the raw Cohen data is appropriate,
>>we have also demonstrated  that the dose-effect model for human exposure
>>to radon and its daughters is U-shaped and is thus NONLINEAR. Also, and
>>contrary to Mafia claims, all the hormetic looking data in the
>>voluminous collections of such data can now be used as such, if the
>>Assumption of Equivalent Populations (definition given in paper) can be
>>made.
>>
>>Let's face facts, hormesis is back; and this time, it is back to stay!
>>
>>Have a fun weekend,
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>--
>>
>>  " The American Republic will endure until the day Congress
>>  discovers that it can bribe the Public with the Public's money."
>>                                        Alexis de Tocqueville
>>                                        Democracy in America
>>
>>***************************
>>
>>Fritz A. Seiler, Ph.D.
>>Sigma Five Consulting
>>P.O. Box 1709
>>Los Lunas, NM 87031, USA
>>Tel.    505-866-5193
>>Fax.    505-866-5197
>>e-mail: faseiler@nmia.com
>>
>>***************************
>>
>>
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