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Re: Experimental Proof of Hormesis
Actually, he implied Bernie Cohen's "vested interest" - who is not and has
never been funded by the gov't/industry.
Ruth's "vested interest" is a little narrow. DOE-funded people are often
unable to be critical/honest about other programs, eg, FFTF, or people who
know the biology address the LNT, without effect on
careers/promotions/contracts, etc.
Regards, Jim
muckerheide@mediaone.net
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> What's this "vested interest" accusation about? Let me go on record here on
> RADSAFE:
>
> "conflict of interest" means money and only money; that is, if I am paid a
> fee to make an analysis for the Yucca Mountain Project, I would have a
> conflict of interest if I were also paid a fee to critique the project. If,
> on the other hand, I go of my own volition to a public meeting,or submit a
> comment, asking that the FFTF not be shut down, I have no conflict of
> itnerest at all, since I am not paid for any activity that has anything to
> do with FFTF.
>
> The applicable definition of "vested interest" (from Webster's) is "a
> special concern in maintaining or influencing a condition or arrangement or
> action." I certainly have a vested interest in ideas I have developed or
> agree with, and I expect Fritz Seiler also has. That doesn't mean we can't
> be convinced to change our minds, but there's nothing wrong with having a
> vested interest in an idea.
>
> Ruth Weiner
> ruth_weiner@msn.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harry Hinks <harryhinks@hotmail.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Experimental Proof of Hormesis
>
>
>> Mr. Seiller,
>>
>> I don't understand your statements below. In postings in the archives on
>> this subject, I notice even Dr. Cohen does not agree with you. How do you
>> expect other people with no vested interest?
>>
>> Harry Hinks
>> harryhinks@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Fritz A. Seiler" <faseiler@nmia.com>
>>> Reply-To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>>> To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>>> Subject: Experimental Proof of Hormesis
>>> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:18:38 -0600 (CST)
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The current thread on hormesis on RADSAFE seems to imply that there is
>>> no valid experimental confirmation. Well, that is what the Linear Mafia
>>> wants you to think! Fortunately, wanting it does not make it so. That
>>> is why that same Linear Mafia has hurled all kinds of 'bombs' at the
>>> Shipyard worker study and at Bernie Cohen's study of the Radon/Lung
>>> cancer mortality correlation.
>>>
>>> On their own merits, both experiments strongly contradict the Linear
>>> No-threshold (LNT) Model. Against the Shipyard worker study, there are
>>> nothing except handwaving arguments without solid numerical foundation.
>>> Against Bernie's measurements there are a number of papers with
>>> arguments using non-numerical claims of confounding factors resulting in
>>> the "Ecological Fallacy". According to the Mafia, that fallacy makes the
>>> data useless for risk assessment purposes.
>>>
>>> Joe Alvarez and I have shown the fallacy argument to be invalid, and the
>>> raw Cohen data to be the only scientific basis for a valid risk
>>> assessment. We made our case in a paper now published as a
>>> 'Perspective' in the December issue of HERA:
>>>
>>> F.A. Seiler and J.L. Alvarez ,"Is the 'Ecological Fallacy" a
>>> Fallacy?" Human and Ecological Risk Assessment, vol. 6,
>>> 921-941 (2000).
>>>
>>> By demonstrating that the use of the raw Cohen data is appropriate,
>>> we have also demonstrated that the dose-effect model for human exposure
>>> to radon and its daughters is U-shaped and is thus NONLINEAR. Also, and
>>> contrary to Mafia claims, all the hormetic looking data in the
>>> voluminous collections of such data can now be used as such, if the
>>> Assumption of Equivalent Populations (definition given in paper) can be
>>> made.
>>>
>>> Let's face facts, hormesis is back; and this time, it is back to stay!
>>>
>>> Have a fun weekend,
>>>
>>> Fritz
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> " The American Republic will endure until the day Congress
>>> discovers that it can bribe the Public with the Public's money."
>>> Alexis de Tocqueville
>>> Democracy in America
>>>
>>> ***************************
>>>
>>> Fritz A. Seiler, Ph.D.
>>> Sigma Five Consulting
>>> P.O. Box 1709
>>> Los Lunas, NM 87031, USA
>>> Tel. 505-866-5193
>>> Fax. 505-866-5197
>>> e-mail: faseiler@nmia.com
>>>
>>> ***************************
>>>
>>>
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