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RE: GERMANY SUBSTITUTES WIND FOR NUCLEAR POWER



  ... I don't think so ...

 Barring special circumstances dictated by terrain and preferential wind

direction, the array can be expected to be hexagonal

(/triagonal/triaxial/etc.) not rectilinear.  This augments packing

efficiency, and minimizes unit to unit interference.  Use of towers of

staggered height can also be expected, for the same reasons.



This still doesn't overcome the basic point that started this thread - that

THERE JUST ISN'T ENOUGH SHORELINE! :-D



> -----Original Message-----

> From:	Yusuf GÜLAY [SMTP:yusuf.gulay@taek.gov.tr]

> Sent:	Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:44 AM

> To:	Radsafe (E-mail); Franta, Jaroslav

> Subject:	Re: GERMANY SUBSTITUTES WIND FOR NUCLEAR POWER

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I would like to draw your attention to the mistake on the calculation of

> area per windmill at your message.

> 

> The mesh will look like as shown on the simple figure below,

> 

>             |                                     |

> |

>             |                                     |

> |

> -------X------------------------X------------------X------

>             |                                     |

> |

>             |                                     |

> |

>             |            0.125 km^2      |                              |

>             |                                     |

> |

> -------X------------------------X------------------X-------

>             |                                     |

> |

>             |                                     |

> |

> 

> If you look at the calculated area 0.125 km^2, this will cover 4 windmills

> per sub mesh. So the area per windmill sould be corrected as

> 0.125/4=0.03125

> km^2.

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Franta, Jaroslav" <frantaj@AECL.CA>

> To: "Radsafe (E-mail)" <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:34 PM

> Subject: RE: GERMANY SUBSTITUTES WIND FOR NUCLEAR POWER

> 

> 

> > I hope everyone noticed the contradiction between the two statements,

> >

> > " Trittin told journalists in Berlin that the wind power plan could see

> > between 75 and 80 terrawatt hours of electricity annually from

> > offshore wind parks by 2030. This is equivalent to nearly 60 percent

> > of the nuclear electricity produced last year in Germany. "

> >

> > and

> >

> > " Trittin said that two areas of the North Sea have been identified as

> > appropriate for the construction of wind turbines which could total

> > 4,000 by 2030. He said that the areas avoid all marine and bird

> > conservation areas. "

> >

> > ....because 75 to 80 terawatt hours of electricity annually comes to a

> > steady supply of about 8,790 MWe, which for the typical 25% average

> capacity

> > factor of windmills leads to a total installed capacity of some 35,160

> giant

> > windmills, each with 1MWe theoretical capacity -- or about 8.8 times as

> many

> > as Trittin claims in the second statement (windmills as large as 1.5 - 2

> MWe

> > have been built, but the 1MWe ones - and smaller - are much more common

> and

> > even the former wouldn't make up the factor-of-8.8 difference....).

> >

> > Furthermore, if these windmills have 50-metre-diameter blades, and they

> are

> > spaced at 10 blade diameters by 5 blade diameters, it takes 0.125 square

> > kilometres per windmill, or 4,395 square kilometres total -- and since

> > Germany's North Sea and Baltic Sea coasts are only a few hundred

> kilometres

> > long, the rows of proposed windmills will be about 10 kilometres deep --

> in

> > other words, the Germans can KISS THEIR COAST LINE GOOD-BYE !  ....any

> bets

> > on whether this will actually ever happen ?

> >

> > .....but its encouraging that at least some folks over there are not

> blinded

> > enough to recognise that there are environmental impacts of such "green"

> > energy :

> >

> > " Offshore wind power is contentious among Germany environmentalists

> > who are deeply divided about its environmental impact. The ministry

> > does not expect its plan to get an easy ride so it has invited

> > ecologists to a two-day congress this week to debate the

> > "integration of climate protection, nature protection, marine

> > protection and energy policy fit for the future."

> > <SNIP>

> >

> > Jaro

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