Re: LNT & Global Warming

[maury <maury@WEBTEXAS.COM>]

Let's not worry about the bridge. Summarize some of the evidence that

you think so overwhelmingly supports GHG's as the principal cause of

global warming - and incidentally, how much global warming do you

believe you are referencing? (how many degrees per century)  The

preponderance of evidence was described well by Jerry Cohen. My own

understanding is that the content and conclusions by the concerned

working group of the IPCC stated explicitly that no conclusive evidence

was found to support anthropogenic causation for global climate change.

Contrary contentions are based on: 1. computer models (not on data)

which still cannot successfully predict the past and: 2. on a

politically expedient executive IPCC summary which did not faithfully

represent the content and findings of the working group. . And J.

Hansen, one of the original developers and advocates of model prediction

has recently agreed that we do not yet know enough climatology to model

and predict climate change.  Forget peoples' names and dig into the data

- then place LNT and the doom of global warming in the same basket where

they belong. Names cannot be ignored, but sometimes names and hokey

ownership of bridges available for sale span the same river.

Sincerely,

Maury Siskel   maury@webtexas.com

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xrftom wrote:



> I followed the link and found this statement

>

> "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of

> carbon dioxide, methane, or       other greenhouse gasses is causing

> or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic

> heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's

> climate. Moreover, there is

> substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon

> dioxide produce many

> beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of

> the Earth. "

>

>     If anyone reading this, who does not have a vested interest in

> hydrocarbon thinks it is true, there is a bridge in Brooklyn NY I

> would like to sell you.

>

> Tom Hazlett

>

>

>

>

> Jerry Cohen wrote:

>

>> It is unfortunate that the general public is largely technologically

>>

>> illiterate and therefore

>> incapable of evaluating concepts on  scientific merit. Accordingly,

>> decisions are

>> not based upon a consideration of the scientific aspects of a

>> subject, but

>> on the

>> degree of trust given to those who are either  for or against it. In

>> this

>> regard,

>> I see a lot of similarity between the  global warming and LNT

>> controversies.

>> In both cases  there is a lot riding  on whose view prevails, and

>> public

>> acceptance

>>  largely depends upon which side is more politically adept in

>> advancing

>> their case.

>> IMHO, the technical rationale behind global warming is as much

>> nonsense as

>> is

>> that behind LNT. Both concepts have little if any scientific merit,

>> are

>> driven by the

>> vested interests of their adherents, and are inimical to the best

>> public

>> interests.

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Chuck Cooper

>> To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:00 PM

>> Subject: [Fwd: [OEM] Re: UN Panel Predicts Global Warming]

>>

>> I'm forwarding this not because it is related to power generation

>> issues but

>> because it is related to scientific credibility, which has been

>> under some

>> scrutiny lately.

>> Bernard Miller wrote:

>> Ferdinand Engelbeen wrote:

>> At this moment, there is a petition going around against the

>> questionable

>> science behind the UN/IPCC predictions. See:

>> http://www.oism.org/pproject/  That web site contains a lot of

>> interesting

>> information.

>> That petition is already signed by over 17,000 scientists. Signers

>> of this

>> petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists,

>> climatologists,

>> meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists.

>> The OISM Petition to which Mr. Engelbeen refers is one of many

>> petitions

>> produced by or at the request of petroleum producers, the chlorine

>> industry

>> (for which Mr. Engelbeen speaks) and their various PR and trade

>> organisations

>>

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