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Re: Global Warming Again!



Thanks Maury!!  I could not have said it better!



maury wrote:

> 

> Paul, some your thoughts are outright frightening to me. Please stop and

> notice the extent to which your comments are thoroughly infiltrated with govt

> regulatory features. And then you want more govt intervention in order to

> control the untoward profits of energy, building, and transportation companies

> and, by the way, to obviously save the planet.  And you would use the power to

> tax as the enforcer of your ideas of social engineering. I won't attempt any

> ultimate solutions here, but it is not difficult to recognize obvious

> regulatory excesses which are rampant within the executive and judicial

> branches of government. Do you really desire that much relief from your own

> responsibility and freedom to make daily choices in your life - do you

> sincerely believe that government appointees do it that much better for you? I

> might be duped into various unwise choices, but I want the opportunity to be

> duped or not rather than giving that power to government. Moreover, please

> note the term: unwise. Unwise is not a question of scientific fact; it is a

> value judgment requiring at least consideration of for whom and for what. I

> hope you might see the puny efforts of mankind in a better perspective

> compared, for example, with the simple results of an occasional full-blown

> volcano here and there. We often presume awesome capabilities for ourselves.

> Best wishes,

> Maury Siskel         maury@webtexas.com

> -----------------------

> Preserve your right to arm bears.

> ================================

> Paul William Shafer wrote:

> 

> > I agree with your "degree per decade" information from

> > what I have read.  Can you imagine what it might be if

> > all of the nuclear power plants were replaced by coal

> > or natural gas fired plants?  That is exactly what

> > many utilities and NG suppliers are hoping for by 2025

> > since there is much less regulatory hassle in

> > construction and operation of NG fired inefficient

> > "jet engine-type" mini-turbine farms. The NG suppliers

> > want to burn NG during the summer for AC, rather than

> > store it for winter heating, since they realize much

> > greater profits.

> >

> > In addition, even though the federal government has a

> > 20 mpg requirement for light trucks and SUVs, you and

> > I both know that large V-8 powered SUVs only get 6-10

> > mpg while "parked" on expressways with one or two

> > people in them every day on the comutes in and out of

> > large metro areas. The oil companies and car companies

> > obviously love these vehicles and have duped people

> > into believing they are safer. The oil companies and

> > car companies make most of their profits from these

> > vehicles and not from small fuel efficient vehicles.

> > What is the contribution to Global Warming from these

> > vehicles concentrated on "moving parking lots" in big

> > cities?

> >

> > How about 5000+ sq. ft. new homes which have one or

> > two people in them in terms of NG and electricity

> > usage? Obviously, home builders and banks do not want

> > modern 2500 sq. ft. homes like the ones built in the

> > 1960s since they realize smaller profit margins.

> >

> > If the V-8/V-10 powered SUVs and light trucks were

> > luxury taxed at 10-15% of list price, if a $4000 tax

> > credit were given to home owners to reduce energy

> > usage, if the price of a gallon of gasoline reached

> > $3.50 per gallon by what ever means, if regulatory

> > controls on nuclear power were reduced  etc. etc.

> > perhaps we help could curb "Global Warming."  These

> > things do not appear likely within the next twenty

> > years.

> >

> > "Bigger and more inefficient is better in a throw-away

> > society."  That is what keeps the profits coming.  I

> > believe it is more of a macro-economic issue than a

> > political one.

> >

> > Just some comments.

> >

> > Paul Shafer

> > --- Michael McNaughton <mcnaught@LANL.GOV> wrote:

> > > At 04:11 PM 7/18/01 -0700, Jerry Cohen wrote:

> > > >beginning some 4,000 years ago and running until

> > > the birth of Christ,

> > > >temperatures averaged between 1.5 and 3 degrees

> > > Celsius higher than they

> > > >do today.

> > >

> > > An important detail that has been omitted is: the

> > > rate of change. One

> > > degree change per thousand years has been observed

> > > before. The present data

> > > tentatively indicate about a degree per decade,

> > > which is about 2 orders of

> > > magnitude larger than before.

> > >

> > > mike

> > >

> > >

> > > Mike McNaughton

> > > Los Alamos National Lab.

> > > email: mcnaught@LANL.gov or mcnaughton@LANL.gov

> > > phone: (505)667-6130

> > >

> > >

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