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Interesting exchange of "views" with anti-nuclear activists
Radsafe:
Copied below is an email I received earlier today from John P. Shannon, an antinuclear activist, after I sent an email to another antinuclear activist Russell Hoffman who has been flooding the www with information lately about how nuclear plants might be sabotaged as well as endless other posts critifcal of nuclear power electric generation. I've copied the email from Shannon to me at my other email address RadiumProj@cs.com, immediately below, in its entirety since it provides an interesting list of email contacts for Shannon's antinuclear world view.
Hoffman was recently thrown off the MTP [Military Toxics Project] for making off-topic posts [see email below from Hoffman to Steve Taylor which Hoffman had posted to the DOEWatch anti listsrv] and my email to Hoffman with a copy to Taylor which prompted the response immediately below about my supposed "libel of Russell Hoffman". It's all rather droll [at least to my warped sense of humor].
Hoffman had previously accused me of being a defender of the "Demon Hot Atom" after I sent him a comment about a month ago criticizing another of his long antinuclear tirades. I noted that his "Demon Hot Atom" phraseology could have been uttered by Osama bin Laden himself.
If you're willing [be brave] to gain some idea how antinuclear activists like Hoffman and John Shannon see the world -- read on. If you're not interested, or see an exchange like this as extraneous, simply delete this email and please no flames directed my way about wasted bandwidth. There's already too much heat and too little light on this entire issue.
Stewart Farber
email: SAFarberMSPS@cs.com
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In a message dated 10/17/01 4:47:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jacksha1@aol.com writes:
Subj:Re: A response to Stewart Farber's libel of Russell Hoffman
Date:10/17/01 4:47:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:Jacksha1@aol.com
To:RadiumProj (Stewart Farber), rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com (Russell Hoffman), prop1@prop1.org (Ellen Thomas), egbur3@home.com (Edith Gbur), FthYoung@aol.com, adiroche@indigo.ie (Adi Roche), ecarroll@cdi.org (Admiral Eugene CDI/Carroll), amsmith@gol.com (Aileen M. Smith), kawa-pd@jca.apc.org (Akira Kawasaki), anogee@ucsusa.org (Alan Nogee), asquared@pirg.org (Anna Aurillio), artbell@mindspring.com (Art Bell), punnett@mindspring.com (Art Bell Show/Ian Punnett), barbarasimpson_ksfo@yahoo.com (Art Bell Show/Barbara Simpson), lrothstein@thebulletin.org (B.A.S./Linda Rothstein), sarah@bentblue.com (B.A.S./Sarah), sschwartz@thebulletin.org (B.A.S./Steven Schwartz), bella.belb@wanadoo.fr (bella.belb), bellona@bellona.no (Bellona Foundation), Bernd@barseback.de (Bernd Frieboese)
Stewart Farber, MS Public Health, Public Health Scientist, Radium
Experiment Assessment Project - REAP, Director
Mr. Farber:
I worked for years [30 to be exact] as a Nuclear Engineer, Reactor Designer Manager, Experimental Physicist, Nuclear Physicist and Safety Manager at the Nuclear Navy's prestigious Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory. I was dismissed from the laboratory when I reported the biggest asbestos scandal in the Nation a $100,000,000 asbestos cleanup disaster.
Nuclear power has intrinsic problems such as waste disposal, which I believe will never be solved, and operational problems, such as the NRC being shown that the kinetics equations and kinetics theory taught to reactor operators is wrong. The NRC/DOE, of corse, refuses to change. These, of course, are the simple problems.
The biggest problem with Nuclear Energy is the corruption that is all pervasive within the NRC and the DOE. Corruption that will never go away even if we found a solution for the waste problem.
Please do not insult Mr. Hoffman concerning his comments about the Nuclear Industry. I have found him to be consistently correct when he discusses any and all aspects of the Nuclear Industry. I have furthermore found the Health Physics community to be consistently wrong when discussing the health aspects of the Nuclear Industry. The "HP" community has virtually no evidence upon which to hang their collective hats when it comes to discussing the health aspects of radiation of any kind. Virtually no experiments have been done to justify the radiation levels that have been described as "Safe" down through the years.
I know of members of the "HP" community who have been destroyed because they have had the gumption to question the "WORD."
I also know of many members of the uninformed public who are appointed to high positions within the Nuclear Industry simply because they have no knowledge to question anything [such as the present heads of the NRC and DOE].
So please do not criticize a man who is always right and who is only trying to protect the public.
What is your excuse for staying within an organization that is so corrupt it eats it's young, and destroys anyone who reports any issue that disagrees with the NRC/DOE definition of the "truth".
The truth as seen by incompetent morons.
John P. Shannon
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In a message dated 10/17/01 11:48:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RadiumProj writes:
Subj:Re: [DOEWatch] Re: MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my posti...
Date:10/17/01 11:48:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From:RadiumProj (Stewart Farber)
To:rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com
CC:Steve@miltoxproj.org (Steve Taylor)
Russell:
If one person says you're a donkey, you can scoff at it. If two people say you're a donkey, you should question why it is being said. If three people say you're an ass, it's time to go out and get a saddle.
Your nuclear related postings are so ludicrous and generally so at odds with basic facts on nuclear matters that you are wasting everyone's time with your endless rants. As I've suggested to you before, you should stick with programming where you appear to have some skills and stop trying to pass yourself off as an expert in strategic, environmental, climatic, and economic aspects of nuclear energy, a subject about which you clearly know little to nothing. As the TV space alien character Alf once said: "Dogma, dogma, dog manure"
Have a great day,
Stewart Farber, MS Public Health
Public Health Scientist
Radium Experiment Assessment Project - REAP
Director
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In a message dated 10/17/01 4:58:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com writes:
Subj:[DOEWatch] Re: MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my postings, Steve, or is that a big secret?
Date:10/17/01 4:58:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com (Russell D. Hoffman)
To: Steve@miltoxproj.org (Steve Taylor)
Date: October 16th, 2001
From: Russell Hoffman
To: Steve Taylor, Military Toxics Project
Re: MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my postings, Steve,
or is that a big secret?
Steve,
As I have said many times, and as most people realize (except, apparently,
those on your list), the reason we have commercial nukes is because of the
military need for plutonium and other radioactive materials for
bombs. Also to legitimize the use of nuclear reactors so that the Navy
could use them. And to provide for an employment service for ex-Nuclear
Navy personnel.
There never has been a viable civilian nuclear power project at any time in
history.
Furthermore, the Yucca Mountain Project, if it's passed, will be about 30%
for military waste if I recall the number correctly (it's about that). It
will all be transported across America's civilian transportation system.
Did I mention the military connection between NASA's Cassini and the Air
Force's nuclear spy satellites which orbit earth (believed to exist, but I
suppose there's really no proof)?
Right now, American civilians are being targeted at home, and our nukes are
the prime targets. They are a legitimate target of war, too, because of
the military connection mentioned in the first paragraph.
The waste they produce is the most toxic stuff on earth. The military has
been the most negligent in releasing nuclear waste to the environment,
including but not limited to two nuclear submarines and probably at least
one training reactor dumped unceremoniously into the Atlantic Ocean, as if
that's some form of safe burial.
So what ARE you talking about, Steve? I didn't see any voting or opinions
posted on this issue. Are you sure it's the opinion of the majority?
Well whatever. I suppose you know the real reasons you are kicking me off,
whatever they are, so I hope you'll at least just have the courtesy to post
this letter, so that people on the list understand what actually happened
(and can voice their opinions publicly if they so choose), and so that they
know that these are the reasons I am not about to change, since obviously,
you are not going to reinstate me on the list if I don't. And I won't.
Lastly, I find it fascinating that after all that talk about being open
about who might be a spook or who is acting like a spook, these " problems"
you say are occurring are NOT occurring in public, on the forum itself, but
in some sort of private communications with you.
That's pretty spooky.
Sincerely,
Russell Hoffman
Concerned Citizen
Carlsbad, CA
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