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Re: Ecological Study- I Need a Primer!



I highly recommend Laurier, et al, "Radon Exposure and the Risk of

Leukemia: A Review of Epidemiological Studies", Health Physics,V81,#3,

Sept. 2001.  This is one of the better papers I've seen in terms of

describing different kinds of epi studies, including ecological, cohort

(prospective) and case/control studies, with some discussion of the

utility and pitfalls of each type.  It also shows pretty clearly how

ecologic studies can come to conclusions that are wrong.



The way I learned it in Public Health school, ecological studies are

useful for hypothesis generation, and next to useless for proving

anything.  Case control studies are better, and cohort studies are

generally regarded as the best evidence (not proof) of a cause/effect

relationship.  "Proof" comes from may sources, including reproducible

studies, and must include a mechanism.



Few epi studies can "prove" a mechanism, and fewer try to.  This

doesn't make such studies useless.  The textbook example is John Snow's

work with cholera in London.  By spotting cases of disease on a map he

showed pretty clearly that there was a relationship with disease and

drinking water.  This was before the germ theory, so he had no idea what

the mechanism was.  Nevertheless, by stealing the handle to a water pump

(thus cutting off that particular water supply) he saved a lot of lives.

 Mechanisms are nice for proving a cause/effect relationship, but most

MD's are willing to take actions that will prevent disease without

waiting for that relationship to be proven.





Tony Harrison, MSPH

Colorado Dept. of Public Health & Environment

Laboratory and Radiation Services Division

(303)692-3046

tony.harrison@state.co.us





>>> "Estabrooks, Bates (IHK) " <IHK@Y12.doe.gov> 12/14/01 06:51AM >>>

Radsafers,



Help me out here in regards to this issue of "ecological" studies.  Let

me

say right up front, that in this arena I am generally ignorant.  As for

me,

the answer to the now-famous question: "Are you a statistician?" is

emphatically: "No!"



As I understand it, an "ecological" study simply looks at a broad

cohort of

people and looks to see whether certain conditions (health indicators)

exist

in relationship to some varying influence, without defining a mechanism

for

how the influence produces an effect on health.  Is this correct?



By contrast, an "epidemiological" study seeks to prove something by

identifying the mechanism.  Is this correct?



If my assumptions are correct, I am puzzled as to why the use of an

"ecological" study for disproving LNT is so roundly impugned, when

this

seems to be a credible approach in other technical fields.  For

instance,

yesterday NPR had a story about a new study showing that women with

breast

cancer do not live longer if they participate in a support group.  A

previous study had asserted the opposite.  Both of these studies (as I

understand) simply looked at a large group of women and compared group

involvement vs. mortality, with no significant attempt to identify a

cause-effect mechanism.  Yet, within the medical community these

studies

carry notable weight.



So, educate me.  Please feel free to respond directly to my email, or

post

if you think the group would be interested.



Thanks.

  

Bates Estabrooks

Facility Safety-EUO Restart 

BWXT Y-12

9983-FS

P.O. Box 2009

Oak Ridge, TN 37831

865-574-7376

865-241-5780 (Facsimile)

ihk@y12.doe.gov <mailto:ihk@y12.doe.gov> 





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