RE: Good bye, Norman Cohen!

["Sugarman, Steve" <SugarmaS@ORAU.GOV>]

Mr. Schoenhofer,



"...but I have never been a hippie, nor a left wing socialist. This is your

US-American problem, not mine."  What's this about?  While I don't agree

with the ideology of people on the left, what makes America great is the

fact that they have a right to say it and I have a right to listen to it or

ignore it.  Furthermore, your statements and attack on Mr. Cohen (one of the

people with ideologies I disagree with and usually ignore) via his

family/personal life are out of line - although probably much easier when

separated by an ocean and cyberspace as opposed to face-to-face.  Quit

wasting my time by airing your personal problems in a valuable forum

intended for health physics/radiation protection issues.



You can flame me all you want (and I expect a few)...your arrogance will

draw the same response as Mr. Cohen's posts to RADSAFE - the "delete" key.



On a positive note, thanks to all who post information regarding accidents

involving radioactive materials or radiation generating devices.  I find

this very useful in my day-to-day duties.



- Steve Sugarman, MS, Health Physicist



*These thoughts are my personal musings and should in no way be associated

with my employer.*



-----Original Message-----

From: Franz Schoenhofer [mailto:franz.schoenhofer@CHELLO.AT]

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:02 PM

To: Norman Cohen; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: Good bye, Norman Cohen!





Hi Norman,



It is time to say good bye! Quite a few RADSAFErs told me that your postings

are deleted automatically when reaching their inbox. Now I will try to

activate this feature on my mailserver or whatever this is called. If I do

not succeed - which is very likely - I promise you that I will delete any

message coming from you, without reading it.



Norman, you have abused out patience (or my patience) too much. You simply

do not understand, when it is time to give up. You scaled down your level of

contribution, from items where I personally thought you were interested in

facts like the CTBTO to "Lochbaum" (who is that?) and having to ask him for

his opinion and finally to finance.yahoo. You have nothing to contribute to

RADSAFE any more. Your last contribution on the KI pills I have read (in

Austria!!!) long before for instance at the IAEA website and others. Why

don't you understand that you cannot provide anything new to RADSAFE and

that your objections to whatever you have put forward have been answered

extensively by RADSAFErs?



Your request to keep out your wife and your kids out of discussion is

ridiculous. First of all you have directed your answer to the RADSAFE group.

Secondly I have questioned some time ago, whether you are financed by the

antis and you proudly (this is my personal opinion) stated, that you are not

financed by such groups like Sternglass and whatever your celebrities are,

but by your wife. I now learn, that your wife uses a disability pension to

support you and your children. As a European and Austrian I have to say,

that in my country disability pensions for women are not intended to support

men to work for pressure groups, whatever they press for. In Europe men are

supposed to work and earn a living for their children and their wives, in

case women are not able to support themselves. You may run into big troubles

unless your wife accepts everything that Mr. Macho decides.





>Radsafers are free to read or ignore my postings.



No, when you have nothing to contribute to the list according to the goal of

the list you should refrain from posting to it. If you were a little honest

you would have since long found out that your postings are not appreciated.





>

>I'm not clear what insulting Macho/Non-Working/Wife-Supported Norm does to

>further discussion on this list.

>Or maybe you are jealous of my left over sixties hippie no good left wing

>socialist commie lifestyle!  ;-)





No, I am not, I have a beard since 1966, but I have never been a hippie, nor

a left wing socialist. This is your US-American problem, not mine.

>

>BTW, we have 4 children, two from Karen's 1st marriage, who are  grown and

on

>their own, and two girls, Natalie and Amber, ages 10 and 7. My main role,

when

>not being a radsafe 'gadfly' is house husband to them.

>My wife is on disability and cannot work or drive. We are lucky that here

in the

>USA she has both a disbility pension and social security that enables us to

live

>a decent life and allows me to work for peanuts as an 'anti'.

>

>Please keep my wife and kids out of the discussion.





You brought them in, not I.



I would be ashamed, not to work and to live on my wifes disability pension

(this is hypothetically, because I am not married since long anymore and

have been able to raise my children to "maturity" without financial

contribution of my former wife and in spite of a terrible high amount of

debts.)





------------------------------------------------------



It is in my opinion very important to know the personal background of poets,

historians, artists etc. to understand their work. So Norman, you came now

finally out with your personal history. Get a job, work, earn your living

and then post to RADSAFE again!



Good bye!



Franz



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