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Re: Good bye, Norman Cohen!
"...all men are created equal;" but not their opinions. Not your opinion's
expression or NC's are the raison d'etre of RadSafe. It is a privately
owned forum and not heavily enough censored.
I wrote and then deleted my ad hominem response.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugarman, Steve" <SugarmaS@ORAU.GOV>
To: "'Franz Schoenhofer'" <franz.schoenhofer@CHELLO.AT>; "Norman Cohen"
<ncohen12@HOME.COM>; <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Good bye, Norman Cohen!
> Mr. Schoenhofer,
>
> "...but I have never been a hippie, nor a left wing socialist. This is
your
> US-American problem, not mine." What's this about? While I don't agree
> with the ideology of people on the left, what makes America great is the
> fact that they have a right to say it and I have a right to listen to it
or
> ignore it. Furthermore, your statements and attack on Mr. Cohen (one of
the
> people with ideologies I disagree with and usually ignore) via his
> family/personal life are out of line - although probably much easier when
> separated by an ocean and cyberspace as opposed to face-to-face. Quit
> wasting my time by airing your personal problems in a valuable forum
> intended for health physics/radiation protection issues.
>
> You can flame me all you want (and I expect a few)...your arrogance will
> draw the same response as Mr. Cohen's posts to RADSAFE - the "delete" key.
>
> On a positive note, thanks to all who post information regarding accidents
> involving radioactive materials or radiation generating devices. I find
> this very useful in my day-to-day duties.
>
> - Steve Sugarman, MS, Health Physicist
>
> *These thoughts are my personal musings and should in no way be associated
> with my employer.*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Franz Schoenhofer [mailto:franz.schoenhofer@CHELLO.AT]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:02 PM
> To: Norman Cohen; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: Good bye, Norman Cohen!
>
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> It is time to say good bye! Quite a few RADSAFErs told me that your
postings
> are deleted automatically when reaching their inbox. Now I will try to
> activate this feature on my mailserver or whatever this is called. If I do
> not succeed - which is very likely - I promise you that I will delete any
> message coming from you, without reading it.
>
> Norman, you have abused out patience (or my patience) too much. You simply
> do not understand, when it is time to give up. You scaled down your level
of
> contribution, from items where I personally thought you were interested in
> facts like the CTBTO to "Lochbaum" (who is that?) and having to ask him
for
> his opinion and finally to finance.yahoo. You have nothing to contribute
to
> RADSAFE any more. Your last contribution on the KI pills I have read (in
> Austria!!!) long before for instance at the IAEA website and others. Why
> don't you understand that you cannot provide anything new to RADSAFE and
> that your objections to whatever you have put forward have been answered
> extensively by RADSAFErs?
>
> Your request to keep out your wife and your kids out of discussion is
> ridiculous. First of all you have directed your answer to the RADSAFE
group.
> Secondly I have questioned some time ago, whether you are financed by the
> antis and you proudly (this is my personal opinion) stated, that you are
not
> financed by such groups like Sternglass and whatever your celebrities are,
> but by your wife. I now learn, that your wife uses a disability pension to
> support you and your children. As a European and Austrian I have to say,
> that in my country disability pensions for women are not intended to
support
> men to work for pressure groups, whatever they press for. In Europe men
are
> supposed to work and earn a living for their children and their wives, in
> case women are not able to support themselves. You may run into big
troubles
> unless your wife accepts everything that Mr. Macho decides.
>
>
> >Radsafers are free to read or ignore my postings.
>
> No, when you have nothing to contribute to the list according to the goal
of
> the list you should refrain from posting to it. If you were a little
honest
> you would have since long found out that your postings are not
appreciated.
>
>
> >
> >I'm not clear what insulting Macho/Non-Working/Wife-Supported Norm does
to
> >further discussion on this list.
> >Or maybe you are jealous of my left over sixties hippie no good left wing
> >socialist commie lifestyle! ;-)
>
>
> No, I am not, I have a beard since 1966, but I have never been a hippie,
nor
> a left wing socialist. This is your US-American problem, not mine.
> >
> >BTW, we have 4 children, two from Karen's 1st marriage, who are grown
and
> on
> >their own, and two girls, Natalie and Amber, ages 10 and 7. My main role,
> when
> >not being a radsafe 'gadfly' is house husband to them.
> >My wife is on disability and cannot work or drive. We are lucky that here
> in the
> >USA she has both a disbility pension and social security that enables us
to
> live
> >a decent life and allows me to work for peanuts as an 'anti'.
> >
> >Please keep my wife and kids out of the discussion.
>
>
> You brought them in, not I.
>
> I would be ashamed, not to work and to live on my wifes disability pension
> (this is hypothetically, because I am not married since long anymore and
> have been able to raise my children to "maturity" without financial
> contribution of my former wife and in spite of a terrible high amount of
> debts.)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> It is in my opinion very important to know the personal background of
poets,
> historians, artists etc. to understand their work. So Norman, you came now
> finally out with your personal history. Get a job, work, earn your living
> and then post to RADSAFE again!
>
> Good bye!
>
> Franz
>
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