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Re: Good bye, Norman Cohen!



"...all men are created equal;" but not their opinions.  Not your opinion's

expression or NC's are the raison d'etre of RadSafe.  It is a privately

owned forum and not heavily enough censored.



I wrote and then deleted my ad hominem response.



The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.





----- Original Message -----

From: "Sugarman, Steve" <SugarmaS@ORAU.GOV>

To: "'Franz Schoenhofer'" <franz.schoenhofer@CHELLO.AT>; "Norman Cohen"

<ncohen12@HOME.COM>; <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:40 AM

Subject: RE: Good bye, Norman Cohen!





> Mr. Schoenhofer,

>

> "...but I have never been a hippie, nor a left wing socialist. This is

your

> US-American problem, not mine."  What's this about?  While I don't agree

> with the ideology of people on the left, what makes America great is the

> fact that they have a right to say it and I have a right to listen to it

or

> ignore it.  Furthermore, your statements and attack on Mr. Cohen (one of

the

> people with ideologies I disagree with and usually ignore) via his

> family/personal life are out of line - although probably much easier when

> separated by an ocean and cyberspace as opposed to face-to-face.  Quit

> wasting my time by airing your personal problems in a valuable forum

> intended for health physics/radiation protection issues.

>

> You can flame me all you want (and I expect a few)...your arrogance will

> draw the same response as Mr. Cohen's posts to RADSAFE - the "delete" key.

>

> On a positive note, thanks to all who post information regarding accidents

> involving radioactive materials or radiation generating devices.  I find

> this very useful in my day-to-day duties.

>

> - Steve Sugarman, MS, Health Physicist

>

> *These thoughts are my personal musings and should in no way be associated

> with my employer.*

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Franz Schoenhofer [mailto:franz.schoenhofer@CHELLO.AT]

> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:02 PM

> To: Norman Cohen; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

> Subject: Good bye, Norman Cohen!

>

>

> Hi Norman,

>

> It is time to say good bye! Quite a few RADSAFErs told me that your

postings

> are deleted automatically when reaching their inbox. Now I will try to

> activate this feature on my mailserver or whatever this is called. If I do

> not succeed - which is very likely - I promise you that I will delete any

> message coming from you, without reading it.

>

> Norman, you have abused out patience (or my patience) too much. You simply

> do not understand, when it is time to give up. You scaled down your level

of

> contribution, from items where I personally thought you were interested in

> facts like the CTBTO to "Lochbaum" (who is that?) and having to ask him

for

> his opinion and finally to finance.yahoo. You have nothing to contribute

to

> RADSAFE any more. Your last contribution on the KI pills I have read (in

> Austria!!!) long before for instance at the IAEA website and others. Why

> don't you understand that you cannot provide anything new to RADSAFE and

> that your objections to whatever you have put forward have been answered

> extensively by RADSAFErs?

>

> Your request to keep out your wife and your kids out of discussion is

> ridiculous. First of all you have directed your answer to the RADSAFE

group.

> Secondly I have questioned some time ago, whether you are financed by the

> antis and you proudly (this is my personal opinion) stated, that you are

not

> financed by such groups like Sternglass and whatever your celebrities are,

> but by your wife. I now learn, that your wife uses a disability pension to

> support you and your children. As a European and Austrian I have to say,

> that in my country disability pensions for women are not intended to

support

> men to work for pressure groups, whatever they press for. In Europe men

are

> supposed to work and earn a living for their children and their wives, in

> case women are not able to support themselves. You may run into big

troubles

> unless your wife accepts everything that Mr. Macho decides.

>

>

> >Radsafers are free to read or ignore my postings.

>

> No, when you have nothing to contribute to the list according to the goal

of

> the list you should refrain from posting to it. If you were a little

honest

> you would have since long found out that your postings are not

appreciated.

>

>

> >

> >I'm not clear what insulting Macho/Non-Working/Wife-Supported Norm does

to

> >further discussion on this list.

> >Or maybe you are jealous of my left over sixties hippie no good left wing

> >socialist commie lifestyle!  ;-)

>

>

> No, I am not, I have a beard since 1966, but I have never been a hippie,

nor

> a left wing socialist. This is your US-American problem, not mine.

> >

> >BTW, we have 4 children, two from Karen's 1st marriage, who are  grown

and

> on

> >their own, and two girls, Natalie and Amber, ages 10 and 7. My main role,

> when

> >not being a radsafe 'gadfly' is house husband to them.

> >My wife is on disability and cannot work or drive. We are lucky that here

> in the

> >USA she has both a disbility pension and social security that enables us

to

> live

> >a decent life and allows me to work for peanuts as an 'anti'.

> >

> >Please keep my wife and kids out of the discussion.

>

>

> You brought them in, not I.

>

> I would be ashamed, not to work and to live on my wifes disability pension

> (this is hypothetically, because I am not married since long anymore and

> have been able to raise my children to "maturity" without financial

> contribution of my former wife and in spite of a terrible high amount of

> debts.)

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------

>

> It is in my opinion very important to know the personal background of

poets,

> historians, artists etc. to understand their work. So Norman, you came now

> finally out with your personal history. Get a job, work, earn your living

> and then post to RADSAFE again!

>

> Good bye!

>

> Franz

>

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