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RE: radon - DNA damage - yeast - input from the biologists



Friends, 

 

Ruth is right. Going further, relevant msgs from 2 biologists are

provided below as they were sent to the biology group, re the yeast data

(even though the biologists are last to be considered in rad protection

and biophysics misperceptions of biological effects, especially

irrelevant chromosome aberrations, which can indeed be 'markers' of

radiation exposure, but are of no real significance to health effects

since the issue of producing cancer is DNA repair/mis-repair, not the

dead ends of permanently damaged chromosomes :-)

 



-----Original Message----- 

From: RuthWeiner@AOL.COM 

In a message dated 1/15/02 9:03:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,

bcradsafers@HOTMAIL.COM writes: 





		Do you agree that irreversible DNA damage can occur due

to ionizing 

		radiation exposure? 

		

		BTW: The most sensitive studies for induction of

chromosomal aberrations 

		(micronuclei, Cs-137) show an absolutely straight line

down to 2.3 mGy if I 

		recall correctly. The same seems to be true for point

mutations in somatic 

		cells with increasing age. 

		

		What is "irreversible" DNA damage?  DNA repair also

occurs at the molecular levels. 

		

		Moreover, cell damage does not translate linearly to

organism damage, or even to organ damage.  Cells die every day.  Cells

are killed in a variety of ways  (when I had hip surgery, plenty of

cells were killed and damaged!)  That does not mean that the organism

suffers permanent damage, or that the cell damage necessarily even

propagates.   

		

		The LNT may well be an accurate representation of cell

damage.  However, if the LNT were an accurate representation of

radiation damage to an organism,  everyone would have some cancer, if

only because of the natural body burden of radioactivity.  Moreover,

every epidemiologic study would confirm this.    

		

		Finally, cancer induction might in fact be linearly

proportional to radiation exposure, but that does not necessarily imply

a threshold.  It's the threshold question we are arguing.  Incidentally,

the response to CO poisoning is linear, and has a very well known

threshold. 

		Ruth Weiner, Ph. D. 

		ruthweiner@aol.com 



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Hi Jim; 



Given the interest in the new yeast data, I though I would give some

perspective. 



We did a lot of work on induced radiation resistance in yeast in the

1980's and 90's. In yeast (unlike in mammals) inducible radiation

resistance (the adaptive response) is proportional to dose and shows an

oxygen effect, a clear indication that the cells are responding to DNA

damage. We showed that the cell was responding to both DNA double strand

breaks and single strand breaks, but single strand breaks were a better

inducer.  Induction peaks after a dose (in oxygen) of about 100 Gy. This

sounds huge but remember this is a much smaller genome and with much

better repair capabilities (in mammalian cells the repair induction is

at maximum after the first track of radiation goes through the cell). At

100 Gy yeast cell survival is 100%! Induction is absolutely dependent on

the presence of a functional gene Rad52. This is the gene for error-free

DNA recombinational repair (homologous recombination). This is the DNA

repair process that repairs DNA double strand breaks, as well as other

kinds of DNA damage, including DNA damage from chemical mutagens.  The

other kind of recombinational dsb repair (non-homologous recombination)

is not induced and its presence or absence makes no difference to the

adaptive response. Mammalian cells use exactly the same systems. This

means that the only possible outcome of adaption is an increase in error

free repair, and therefore a reduction in the risk of mutation. This is

just what happens in rodent cells when we adapted them and reduced the

risk of transformation to malignancy from spontaneous events (i.e. the

spontaneous transformation frequency went below background) Les Redpath

just published the same result using human cells. We have recently shown

that low doses can reduce spontaneous transformation in cancer prone

mice(unpublished). Pre-treatment of yeast with adapting doses of

radiation can prevent mutation from subsequent exposure to potent

chemical mutagens. Chemical mutagen exposure can also induce radiation

resistance. We showed the same thing happens in human cells after

exposure to the chemotherapeutic agent cisplatin.



It looks very much like (with a very few exceptions) what happens in

yeast is an excellent predictor for mammals. 



This adaptive response to radiation in yeast is part of a larger stress

response. Exposure to many things can induce the same response. We also

sent a lot of time looking at the reciprocal induction of heat and

radiation resistance by exposure to heat or radiation. Heat stress

induces radiation resistance by exactly the same process as radiation

exposure.



Most of this and more is published. Just search PubMed under my name. 



Ron Mitchel 



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At 6:55 PM 02.1.16, +0900;  Sohei Kondo wrote:



The perspective informations given in the mail of January 15  by Ron

Mitchel

in regard to the inducible radiation resistance due to

radiation-enhancement of HR (homologous recombination repair pathway),

are

very interesting.



It should, however, be noted  about the difference between yeast and

mammals in regard to radiation resistance repair as follows.

In mammalian cells,  HR is not inducible  by radiation although the

mammalian HR pathway is governed by Rad51, Rad52 etc genes as the case

of

yeast. Furthermore, Rad51(-/-) cells are viable in yeast but not viable

in

mice (Lim and Hasty: Mol Cell Biol 16, 7133, 1996) probably the size of

the

genome in mammalian cells is too large to tolerate DSBs (double strand

breaks) spontaneously occurring. About ten DSBs per cell cycle occur

spontaneously  in human cells. Rad51 protein is indispensable for

mammalian

cell growth. Yet, after Rad51 protein is synthesized in S to G2 phase,

it

is destined to be degraded after M phase; Rad51 protein is resynthesized

in every cell cycle (Yamamoto et al. Mol. Gen. Genetics 251. 1-12, 1996)

.

Therefore, the mechanism of radiation resistance via HR is totally

different between yeast and mammals.



Sohei Kondo



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Friends; 



Sohei Kondo describes some interesting differences between yeast and

mammalian cells, and the regulation of genes involved in homologous

recombination in mammalian cells. He concludes that HR is not inducible

in mammalian cells. There is an alternative viewpoint. 



At low doses in mammalian cells, the classic test of the adaptive

response is the micronucleus assay. Mammalian (including human) cells

adapted by exposure to low doses at low dose rates have an increased

capacity to repair micronuclei introduced by a second large dose, and

they also repair those micronuclei at a faster rate. Micronuclei are

pieces of broken chromosomes and therefore are the result of DNA double

strand breaks. Low doses therefore increase the ability of mammalian

cells, including human cells, to repair DNA double strand breaks at a

faster rate than unexposed cells. This increased repair capacity is

error free, since it reduces the spontaneous rate of transformation to

malignancy to levels below the normal spontaneous rate in both rodent

and human cells, and protects mice against both radiation induced and

spontaneous cancer. We have, therefore, a DNA repair system that is

inducible by low doses, and repairs DNA double strand breaks in an error

free manner. All these properties are the same as those seen in yeast.

And just as in yeast, this increased double strand break repair capacity

in human cells can also be induced by other DNA damaging agents, so it

is responding to the same kind of cellular signalling process. The only

DNA repair system known that has these properties is homologous

recombination. While this is not proof that HR is the DNA repair system

in man that responds to low doses, any alternative hypothesis seems less

likely, particularly since these adaptive responses appear to be

evolutionarily conserved all the way from bacteria up to man.



Ron Mitchel 



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Regards, Jim Muckerheide