RE: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)

["Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" <jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov>]

Jim, 

I asked you if you had any information on radiation treatment for gangrene,

and you provided an interesting article that I had not read.  I thank you

for that.  You asked me to provide comments and I did.  What is with the

nasty rhetoric?  I said that the process, if you want to call it that, is

like the teletherapy treatment of tumors.  Rapidly dividing cells, bacteria

rather the patients own, are being subject to ionizing radiation to destroy

them.  It is not hard to understand.  My comment about low dose compared to

teletherapy was meant to convey the idea that the response, in this case

infection control, occurred at lower dose than tumor control.  Obvious, the

physiology of the infection is different from that of a tumor bed.  



If you are suggesting that the radiation boosted the immune system, consider

the description of Case 3.  Prior to irradiation, the WBC was 12,500,

Neutros: 72% (9,000); Lymphs: 28% (4060).  Normal values are WBC:  7,000;

Neutrophils:62% (4500); Lymphocytes: 30% (2100) Basophils 0.4% (30)

Monocytes: 5.3% (375).  Obviously, the body was fighting the infection prior

to the use of radiation to "knock down" the infection.  It would have been

interesting to see additional blood values during and after the

irradiations.  It is obvious that a number of pages are missing from this

article, as sentences are incomplete going from one page to another.  But,

all-in-all, it is an interesting read.



Again, please do not bombard me with snide comments, and I think you

comments about the NCRP meeting are inappropriate and offensive.



-- John 

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist 

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD  20715-2024



E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)      



-----Original Message-----

From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@mediaone.net]

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:07 PM

To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); RadSafe

Subject: Re: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)





 From: "Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" <jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov>



> Jim,

> This is very interesting (after I was finally able to download and read

the

> pages.)  I guess this shows that if you have enough time and resources you

> can locate lots of arcane information like this.  I will definitely put a

> copy in my files of "old radiology stuff."



As usual, I "prove" it, you ignore it.  No surprise.

 

> I noticed that the doses were on the order of 150 r which is fairly low

for

> teletherapy.  

??



>Considering the infection to be like a tumor, I would suspect

> that as the infection was reduced and vascular flow returned, the

infection

> would not suffer from the anoxic conditions you see with tumor masses.  It

> would be interesting to have seen changes in immune response as the

> infectious mass, for lack of a better term, was reduced. Once again, we

see

> that rapidly growing cells are more susceptible to ionizing radiation.



As we know today, this isn't what's happening. You really should consider

reading those biology papers.  Though not expecting acceptance, at least you

wouldn't be so (consistently) wrong. :-)  But then you buy NCRP's

disinformation.



> And thankful for the developments in antibiotic therapy.



Of course.  NIH suppressed(es) radiation therapies for them!



> So, are you coming to the NCRP meeting?



Depends on how strong my stomach is. It's a lot like having to watch the

zookeepers feeding the hyenas.

. . .

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