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RE: Apology? RE: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)



Jim,

You asked for comments, and I reply.  If you do not like my comments, I am

sorry, but that is what I think.  Sorry about that, but I see things from a

different perspective.  I do not have any hidden agenda, and do reserve the

right to question articles, studies, etc.  It is part of my thought

processes.  However, I notice that you post any article that you find that

fits you hormesis, anti-LNT agenda.  What you do is your business, and I

actually find many of them of interest.  What you view as evidence, I

question as we all should.  I am not sure of your level of knowledge, but I

have been a health physicist since 1975.  I have degrees in physics,

biophysics and bioengineering.  I have supported research in radiation

effects and participated in human radiation therapies (brachytherapy,

teletherapy, and radionuclide).  I think I have a good grounding in

fundamental biology and physiology.  What you see as a hormesis affect I see

as cell killing (of an invading pathogen).  I cancer therapy, radiation and

cancer, that is what you do, except that the tumor is the body's own cells.



I do notice that comments I make are dismissed by you as being irrelevant,

misinformed, biased, etc.  I really don't see any proof of my errors.  And

please do not send me a list of abstracts that think prove your point.  We

all know what your point is.  You continually "stand on the corner" and wave

it like a battle flag.



I am sorry the NCRP, ICRP, AFL-CIO, etc., do not accept your views.  But

those committee members I have met and talked with do not demean themselves

by name calling and dismissing your comments.  I have found them

professional.  Maybe you should take a lesson in professional attitude,

because it is draws attention away from you arguments.  If you are so

frustrated, maybe you should consider another venue.



I am not sure what the point of your story about using X rays to treat

gangrene.  I am sure that if the advent of modern pharmaceuticals was

delayed, radiation would continue to be used.  However, you will have to

admit that it is cheaper to treat thousands of patients a year with

antibiotics that using more expensive x-ray units.  And yes, it is an

interesting story.  



Have a good weekend.



-- John 



John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD  20715-2024



E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)      

-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Muckerheide [mailto:jmuckerheide@cnts.wpi.edu]

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:50 PM

To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); RadSafe

Subject: Apology? RE: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)





John,

Perhaps I have assumed that when you provide the most egregious

misinformation that misleads people about the possible validity of the LNT,

you do this intentionally, as we have experienced with the more

knowledgeable NCRP/etc. people. It is difficult however when hard evidence

as been provided to you and you seem to choose to ignore it. With the

limited time I've had in recent weeks I've not kept up nor taken time to

provide more sound scientific sources.



However, to take just a few minutes, I'll note again more specifically that:

In about June of 1896 the renown J.J. Thomson reported that "the rays" were

not bacteriocidal, i.e., bacteria were NOT affected by radiation exposure,

with specific comparison to the recently discovered effects of UV radiation

on bacteria! However, numerous experiments and applications starting in 1986

showed that infections were cured with radiation exposure. An item by an

editor in Dec 1896 said (paraphrase from memory) "it seems bacteria in vivo

are 'coated' ('engulfed?') by some agent" vs. the of direct affect of

radaition on bacteria. (Of course, in 3-5 years X-ray equipment had improved

so that instead of bone x-rays or cancer therapies using 30 min to 2 hours

exposures, they could be done in a few minutes. At higher doses bacteria

were effected.) But infections were cured at low doses, leading to such

extreme conditions as active gangrene. You disparage the papers as "old" but

ignore what they found before your more-profitable phamaceuticals eliminated

them from general use.



Regarding some specifics:



-----Original Message----- 

From: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS) [mailto:jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov] 



Jim,

I asked you if you had any information on radiation treatment for gangrene,



<No you said: "I suppose you can prove that"

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