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RE: Apology? RE: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)
Jim,
You asked for comments, and I reply. If you do not like my comments, I am
sorry, but that is what I think. Sorry about that, but I see things from a
different perspective. I do not have any hidden agenda, and do reserve the
right to question articles, studies, etc. It is part of my thought
processes. However, I notice that you post any article that you find that
fits you hormesis, anti-LNT agenda. What you do is your business, and I
actually find many of them of interest. What you view as evidence, I
question as we all should. I am not sure of your level of knowledge, but I
have been a health physicist since 1975. I have degrees in physics,
biophysics and bioengineering. I have supported research in radiation
effects and participated in human radiation therapies (brachytherapy,
teletherapy, and radionuclide). I think I have a good grounding in
fundamental biology and physiology. What you see as a hormesis affect I see
as cell killing (of an invading pathogen). I cancer therapy, radiation and
cancer, that is what you do, except that the tumor is the body's own cells.
I do notice that comments I make are dismissed by you as being irrelevant,
misinformed, biased, etc. I really don't see any proof of my errors. And
please do not send me a list of abstracts that think prove your point. We
all know what your point is. You continually "stand on the corner" and wave
it like a battle flag.
I am sorry the NCRP, ICRP, AFL-CIO, etc., do not accept your views. But
those committee members I have met and talked with do not demean themselves
by name calling and dismissing your comments. I have found them
professional. Maybe you should take a lesson in professional attitude,
because it is draws attention away from you arguments. If you are so
frustrated, maybe you should consider another venue.
I am not sure what the point of your story about using X rays to treat
gangrene. I am sure that if the advent of modern pharmaceuticals was
delayed, radiation would continue to be used. However, you will have to
admit that it is cheaper to treat thousands of patients a year with
antibiotics that using more expensive x-ray units. And yes, it is an
interesting story.
Have a good weekend.
-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
3050 Traymore Lane
Bowie, MD 20715-2024
E-mail: jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Muckerheide [mailto:jmuckerheide@cnts.wpi.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:50 PM
To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); RadSafe
Subject: Apology? RE: LNT (Gangrene x-ray therapy)
John,
Perhaps I have assumed that when you provide the most egregious
misinformation that misleads people about the possible validity of the LNT,
you do this intentionally, as we have experienced with the more
knowledgeable NCRP/etc. people. It is difficult however when hard evidence
as been provided to you and you seem to choose to ignore it. With the
limited time I've had in recent weeks I've not kept up nor taken time to
provide more sound scientific sources.
However, to take just a few minutes, I'll note again more specifically that:
In about June of 1896 the renown J.J. Thomson reported that "the rays" were
not bacteriocidal, i.e., bacteria were NOT affected by radiation exposure,
with specific comparison to the recently discovered effects of UV radiation
on bacteria! However, numerous experiments and applications starting in 1986
showed that infections were cured with radiation exposure. An item by an
editor in Dec 1896 said (paraphrase from memory) "it seems bacteria in vivo
are 'coated' ('engulfed?') by some agent" vs. the of direct affect of
radaition on bacteria. (Of course, in 3-5 years X-ray equipment had improved
so that instead of bone x-rays or cancer therapies using 30 min to 2 hours
exposures, they could be done in a few minutes. At higher doses bacteria
were effected.) But infections were cured at low doses, leading to such
extreme conditions as active gangrene. You disparage the papers as "old" but
ignore what they found before your more-profitable phamaceuticals eliminated
them from general use.
Regarding some specifics:
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS) [mailto:jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov]
Jim,
I asked you if you had any information on radiation treatment for gangrene,
<No you said: "I suppose you can prove that"
. . .
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