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FW: Studies on the health affects to Rad workers



Jim,

Actually, they did address a number of the studies that you cited to the

NCRP.  In fact, you are listed twice in the list of references.  The issue

is not that they addressed the material you sent them as much as they did

not AGREE with your assessment of it.  Sorry, Jim, but they didn't.  I see

the NCRP report as a review of the scientific data that was assembled when

the report was written.  Our understanding of the biology is changing all

the time.  However, regulations do not.  The NRC is certain free not to use

the NCRP reports.  I assume you have proof that the Advisory Committee was

"under "extreme pressure" from the highest

levels to NOT assess or question the report . . ."



Maybe you should start your own organization and ask the NRC to funds to

provide recommendation to them.  You certainly have a number of people who

agree with your conclusions.  I certainly have no disagreements with many of

the biology studies, but do not feel qualified to comment on the

epidemiological studies.  I can certainly find studies that differ from the

ones you cite.  I also find it interesting that you object to the NCRP

saying that in vitro studies are useful for dose-response studies, yet like

to post information on the survivability of yeast cells to radiation.  



By the way, when you put statements inside of quotation marks, are you

implying that they were actually said in the manner presented?  If you are

paraphrasing you should not use quotation marks.



-- John 

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist 

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD  20715-2024



E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)      



-----Original Message-----

From: muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@attbi.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:38 PM

To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: Re: Studies on the health affects to Rad workers 





 From: "Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" <jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov>



> Tom,

> I would also suggest NCRP Report 136, "Evaluation of the

Linear-Nonthreshold

> Dose-Response Model for Ionizing Radiation."  It provides an extensive

list

> of studies that have been conducted, and well as good information on many

of

> the factors and problems involved with the various studies.  Whether or

not

> you believe in the LNT it is important to be look at all aspects of the

> discussion.  Right, Jim?

> 

> -- John 



C'mon John, even you can't believe this.  NCRP didn't even address the data

they were directed to by the NRC Chairman. When we asked NRC to check NCRP's

response to its own request (based on the record of data that initiated

their letter), we got "We can't question their results. They're an

independent organization."  NRC also said "material false statement" rules

don't apply to NCRP the way it would to a contractor or licensee. The

Advisory Committee said they were under "extreme pressure" from the highest

levels to NOT assess or question the report vs. their 1996 review and letter

stating that NCRP needed to be directed to consider ALL the data (Greta

Dicus, then acting chair - getting ICRP appointment in the process; NCRP

waited til Shirley Jackson was gone, waiting years to issue a report that

was supposed to be done in '98 with 3-year funding from NRC).  NCRP didn't

address the 200+ studies they were given by us; and didn't respond to formal

comments from their "official" cooperating organizations that they claim are

the "peer-review process" and concurrence of the scientific community that

otherwise doesn't exist.



See comments to NCRP at:

http://cnts.wpi.edu/RSH/Docs/Correspondence/NCRP136/index.htm



In the document, they explicitly misrepresent a few studies, and ignore

most. They primarily use high-dose studies and irrelevant responses by cells

in culture to claim the LNT can't be eliminated.



Oh, maybe you could identify the rad vs. non-rad worker studies you rely on

in the report to support the LNT.



Note that even the Committee asserts (as we document in our sources that you

and Bill object to) (p.6) ³it is important to note that the rates of cancer

in most populations exposed to low-level radiation have not been found to be

detectably increased, and that  in most cases the rates have appeared to be

decreased.²



The Committee concedes (p.8) that the data they use ³come primarily from

observations at moderate-to-high levels of exposure.²



The Committee also states ³in vitro studies have yielded the most reliable

dose-response data.² This is true for pounding on cells in a Petri dish, but

it has no direct relevance to radiation health effects in whole organisms.  



Regards, Jim

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