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RE: chirper



If they do not use them, do not change the batteries/check the batteries, or

turn them on, then it does not matter what they use or is a regulatory

requirement.



Just my 2 cents.



Randy Redmond

BWXT Y-12 L.L.C.

Y-12 National Security Complex

Radiological Control Organization

Email:  rxq@Y12.doe.gov

Phone:  865-574-5640

Fax:  865-574-0117





> -----Original Message-----

> From:	AndrewsJP@AOL.COM [SMTP:AndrewsJP@AOL.COM]

> Sent:	Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:46 PM

> To:	liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM; tdc@XRAYTED.COM

> Cc:	HustonThomasE@UAMS.EDU; RADSAFE@list.vanderbilt.edu

> Subject:	Re: chirper

> 

> In a message dated 5/29/02 10:08:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM writes: 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 	.  It now seems to be people comparing notes on where to find the 

> 	cheapest "chirper."  Two points:  (1) As I noted in an earlier post,

> 10 CFR 34 

> 	requires radiographers to use "an operating alarm ratemeter," NOT a

> chirper. 

> 	These devices are required to alarm at a preset dose rate.  Many of

> them also 

> 	alarm on integrated dose.  The better models can also generate a

> time versus dose 

> 	rate histogram, which is invaluable for accident investigation.  (2)

> These 

> 	radiography licensees are generally not "mom and pop" operations,

> although they 

> 	are sometimes very stingy regarding safety expenditures.  They

> should be buying 

> 	state of the art instrumentation, training their people on its

> proper use, AND 

> 	enforcing safety requirements. 

> 	

> 	The opinions expressed are strictly mine. 

> 	It's not about dose, it's about trust. 

> 	Curies forever. 

> 	

> 	Bill Lipton 

> 	

> 

> 

> 

> Bill, you are right, of course.  But, all these devices will not do what a

> chirper will do, and that is prevent an overexposure.  The alarming device

> is after the fact.  The chirper is an ongoing monitor that is on the

> radiographer.  When things go wrong, and they will, the chirper will give

> a warning that the other devices will not (unless they chirp, too) and the

> radiographer can then take the appropriate actions, including surveys that

> are needed to recover.  When I had radiographers, they wore chirpers in

> addition to the other requirements.  They also understood that if they did

> not wear them, they would be fired on the spot.  The chirper was an

> absolute requirement to prevent incidents causing overexposures. 

> 

> John Andrews 

> Knoxville, Tennessee

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