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Re: HP question - alpha sources - THANKS + redux



Title: RE: HP question - alpha sources - THANKS + redux
Franta
 
Yes, but the conclusion is still correct. I have been doing ID calculations for too many years!
 
Am-241 is Type M; f(sub)1= 5 (-4) , with an ingestion dose coef. of 2.0 (-7). If ICRP recommends a lower f(sub)1 for Pu, they would do the same for Am.
 
It rained in Vancouver yesterday and is sunny today, but last week reminded us of the years we lived in Deep River, ON.
 
John
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: HP question - alpha sources - THANKS + redux

Thanks John -- I don't have access to ICRP 68 -- I'm only working with Eisenbud's Environmental Radioactivity.
 
But let me make sure I understand correctly - when you say that "the committed dose per Bq from ingested Po-210 [is] equal to, or smaller than that from Pu-239," doesn't that imply that Po-210 is equally or LESS harmful than Pu-239, not more - not "five to ten times more harmful" as stated by the respected scientist  ? ....or am I somehow seeing things upside-down ? ( ....a few more like this & I swear I'm gonna go nuts ! )
 
Would you happen to have the corresponding numbers for Am-241 please ?
 
Thanks.
 
Jaro 
 
PS. We're having BC weather here in Quebec this week -- rain every day :-(
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Johnson [mailto:idias@interchange.ubc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday June 18, 2002 4:19 PM
To: Franta, Jaroslav; Radsafe (E-mail)
Subject: Re: HP question - alpha sources - THANKS + redux

Franta
 
The respected scientist is right. Values of the ingestion committed effective dose in ICRP Publication 68 are
 
Po-210;  Type F, f(sub1)= 0.1 E(sub ing)(50) =2.4(-7)
 
Pu-239;  Type M, f(sub1)= 5(-4) E(sub ing)(50) =2.5(-7)
Pu-239;  Type S, f(sub1)= 1(-5) E(sub ing)(50) =9.0(-9)
             Type S, f(sub1)= 1(-4) E(sub ing)(50) =5.3(-8)
 
That is, the commited dose per Bq from ingested Po-210 equal to, or smaller than that from Pu-239
 
FYI, f(sub1) is the fraction of the radioactivity that enters the GI tract that goes blood and is one of the largest uncertainties in internal dosimetry. ICRP would be justified in changed their recommendation by an order of magnitude.
 
John
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John R Johnson, PhD
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: HP question - alpha sources - THANKS + redux

Thanks again to all who responded and helped me understand.

For others who wanted to know, the answer (see question below) is of course that Po-210 has a much shorter physical and biological T½ -- only 138d & 50d respectively, versus the 50-year bio-T½ of both Pu-239 & Am-241. This was the main point in the replies. The ALI for Po-210 is 100x higher than those of Pu-239 & Am-241, implying that Po-210 is considered 100x less harmful than Pu-239 & Am-241.

Some also suggested its the progeny ingrowth over 50 years -- the fact that Po-210 turns to stable lead-206, whereas the two transuranics have radioactive progeny. My guess is that this is not such a big factor, since the ingrowth would be minute over 50y -- Pu-239 & Am-241 decay to U-235 & Np-237 (respectively, I think) both of which have multi-million-year T½.

Some replies also suggested that I should have been able to figure this out by myself -- which is true.
My confusion started when I read a publication which stated that "The International Commission on Radiological Protection calculates that polonium-210 is five to ten times more harmful than plutonium 239." This is evidently false. The problem is that it was written by a respected scientist - which made it hard for me to believe that it could possibly be wrong !

Oh well, live & learn.....
....its so easy to get mixed up in these things !

Cheers,

Jaro




-----Original Message-----
From: Franta, Jaroslav [mailto:frantaj@AECL.CA]
Sent: 18 June 2002 15:26
To: Radsafe (E-mail)
Subject: HP question - alpha sources[Scanned]


Dear Radsafers,
Would anyone be able to tell me why it is that the ALI (IC-W) for Po-210 is 100 times HIGHER (0.6 µCi) than for Pu-239 & Am-241 (both 0.006 µCi), even though the T½ for Po-210 is 1140-times shorter than that of Am-241, and 63570-times shorter than that of Pu-239 ? Can someone please enlighten me about the reasons for this ?

Thanks in advance.
Jaro