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Re: AW: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation
Franz,
Sorry I confused with my simile.
Iodine is labeled "POISON". Politically unacceptabe ideas like personal
identity cards in the USA were labeled "RADIOACTIVE" at a meeting I recently
attended. My point is that both of these poisons, iodine and radioactivity,
seem essential to good health in controlled dose..
I use stable iodine preparation as antiseptic. I use iodized salt. I prescribe
thyroid. I refer patients for iodine isotope imaging and treatment. I watched
Edward Teller break ground for the hospital which he hoped could use short-lived
isotopes from LLNL here. As with many of his other ideas, that reach was greater
than his grasp.
Again, sorry to confuse with the simile. I hope others will carry the torch for
survival enhancement (topic). Survival was 24% more in NSWorkers receiving <0.5
extra cGy gamma (Cameron) and 50-100 Bq(m-3) radon alpha was associated with
less lung cancer mortality than more or less (Cohen). I am happy I recognize
that epidemiology as not "nonsense". Let us prove (or disprove) radiation
benefit - and use it! I am exploring sensitive C reactive protein level as a
quicker indicator than cancer or death rates.
Howard Long
Franz Schoenhofer wrote:
> My "questions" were not directed to you, but to Howard. He has written what
> seems to me a confirmation of lack of fundamental knowledge. I repeat that
> no connection between LNT, ALARA and deficiency of stable iodine has ever
> been claimed, as well not for lack of fluoride. If he claims, that this has
> been the case he has to confirm it by the relevant literature. Otherwise I
> simply assume that he has no idea about the topics he addressed. We do not
> need Norman Cohen on this list and we as well do not need somebody who is
> not able to distinguish between stable iodine and radioactive iodine and
> tells us all kind of nonsense about epidemiological research.
>
> Let him answer!
>
> Franz
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Ted Rockwell [mailto:tedrock@cpcug.org]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Oktober 2002 20:35
> An: Franz Schoenhofer; hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net; Jacobus, John
> (NIH/OD/ORS)
> Cc: 'RuthWeiner@aol.com'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Betreff: RE: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation
>
> Franz:
>
> There is no inherent or necessary connection between LNT and radioactivity.
> LNT, and the resulting notion of collective dose and ALARA can be, and have
> been, applied to many substances that are not radioactivity.
>
> Ted Rockwell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu]On Behalf Of Franz Schoenhofer
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:41 AM
> To: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net; Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS)
> Cc: 'RuthWeiner@aol.com'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: AW: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu]Im Auftrag von
> hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Oktober 2002 13:58
> An: Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS)
> Cc: 'RuthWeiner@aol.com'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Betreff: Re: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation
>
> John,
> Would it be, "a common sense (conservative) point of view of risk
> management." to further deprive people in a goiter-deaf-retarded area (Great
> Lakes, Himalaya foothills, central Mexico) of iodine, as called for by LNT
> and
> ALARA?
> Or would your common sense deprive most American children of the fluoride
> that
> could save tooth drilling? ALARA would do more harm than good (i.e. NOT
> common
> sense or "conservative") in these or sunshine. The preponderance of data
> suggests that ALARA damages.
>
> Howard Long
>
> -----------------------------------------
> ???????????????????????????????????????????
> Howard,
>
> What are you writing about? I thought that LNT and ALARA had something to do
> with radioactivity? What you mention is s t a b l e iodine!!! And I do not
> know of anybody or any organisation which would question the use of stable
> iodine in iodine deficient areas or would want to remove it from water. Or
> do you advocate to use I-131 or I-125 or maybe even I-129 in these areas???
>
> I know, that some people are against fluoridation of drinking water, but I
> never heard that the ALARA principle (As Low As Reasonably Achievable) was
> used to reduce fluoride in drinking water. Again, the fluoride is not
> radioactive.
>
> Please give an explanation and it must be a very good one and reasonable,
> because otherwise you would only show, that you have no idea about basic
> knowledge on radioactivity and isotopes and I as well as others would know
> what to think about your other contributions on "hormesis".
>
> Franz
>
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