Re: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology

["John Jacobus" <jenday1@MSN.COM>]

Howard,

Once again I do understand why you are posting this message.  I was

responding to the question of animal studies being suppressed that Jim

Muckerhide claims is running rampant.  Please try and follow what is being

said.  With regard to your analogy to the use of aspirin, I know of someone

who was taking an aspirin a day and had to have ulcer surgery.  Not much of

a hormetic benefit there.



By the way, Dr. Pollycove does not work for the NRC.  I am sure that he

speaks for himself, as does Dr. John Goffman.



-- John



John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD 20715-2024

jenday1@email.msn.com (H)



On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:39:38 -0700

Howard Long wrote:

. . .

John,

Your "high doses of rsdiation" animal experiments in the Navy,

would give you a viewpoint like that of my UCSF classmate who had treated

uranium miners for lung cancer. At our 50th class reunion, his Gofman-like

fears ere rebutted effectively by another classmate, Myron Pollycove of the

NRC, who summarized his "Biologic and Epidemiologic Foundations of Radiation

Hormesis".



Aspitin is the biggest poison killer of children.

Radiation overdose must be carefully avoided, the main job now of HPs.

As aspirin, in dose of 80-325 mgm/day, has recently been found to be a major

prevention of death (from blood clots in the coronary and carotid vessels),

so

I believe ionizing radiation in dose of 2-10 x usual background will soon be

found to reduce C Reactive Protein (then heart attacks and other problems).



I hope you recognize that a tiny amount of potent medicine, like radiation,

may

be very good - even essential - although not in the experience you had with

high dose.



Howard Long



"Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS)" wrote:



> During two of my tours in the Navy, I was at a radiobiology research

> facility where we exposured small animal models (mice, rats, etc.), large

> animal models (dogs, pigs, etc.) and subhuman animal models (monkeys,

etc.)

> to high doses or radiation.  A number of reports were generated.  Some

> remained in-house, but data was reported at various scientific meetings

and

> in the scientific literature.  However, due to the sensitivity of our

work,

> I doubt you could say our work was widely distributed.  (If you think

> anti-nuclear protestors are bad, you cannot imagine what the animal rights

> people are like.)

>

> -- John

> John Jacobus, MS

> Certified Health Physicist

> 3050 Traymore Lane

> Bowie, MD  20715-2024

>

> E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: M Nivas [mailto:motnivas@YAHOO.COM]

> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:05 PM

> To: John Jacobus

> Cc: radsafe

> Subject: Re: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology

>

> John et.al.

>

> I remember the Oak Ridge C.A.R.L. (comparitive anatomy

> research laboratory) performed radiological

> experiments. At that time - late 70's, it was

> difficult to get information from their experiments

> with larger animals. In fact does anyone know if this

> program still exists?  I think it went under shortly

> after.

>

> Does anyone know of were that information is located?

> Some was published - Tom Savin

>

>

> --- John Jacobus <jenday1@MSN.COM> wrote:

> > Jim,

> > You missed my point.  The charge was made that human

> > research studies were

> > suppressed.  They were not, but may have found their

> > way into obscure

> > reports or reported in old scientific and medical

> > journals.

. . .



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