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Re: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology
John,
Your "high doses of rsdiation" animal experiments in the Navy,
would give you a viewpoint like that of my UCSF classmate who had treated
uranium miners for lung cancer. At our 50th class reunion, his Gofman-like
fears ere rebutted effectively by another classmate, Myron Pollycove of the
NRC, who summarized his "Biologic and Epidemiologic Foundations of Radiation
Hormesis".
Aspitin is the biggest poison killer of children.
Radiation overdose must be carefully avoided, the main job now of HPs.
As aspirin, in dose of 80-325 mgm/day, has recently been found to be a major
prevention of death (from blood clots in the coronary and carotid vessels), so
I believe ionizing radiation in dose of 2-10 x usual background will soon be
found to reduce C Reactive Protein (then heart attacks and other problems).
I hope you recognize that a tiny amount of potent medicine, like radiation, may
be very good - even essential - although not in the experience you had with
high dose.
Howard Long
"Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS)" wrote:
> During two of my tours in the Navy, I was at a radiobiology research
> facility where we exposured small animal models (mice, rats, etc.), large
> animal models (dogs, pigs, etc.) and subhuman animal models (monkeys, etc.)
> to high doses or radiation. A number of reports were generated. Some
> remained in-house, but data was reported at various scientific meetings and
> in the scientific literature. However, due to the sensitivity of our work,
> I doubt you could say our work was widely distributed. (If you think
> anti-nuclear protestors are bad, you cannot imagine what the animal rights
> people are like.)
>
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> 3050 Traymore Lane
> Bowie, MD 20715-2024
>
> E-mail: jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M Nivas [mailto:motnivas@YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:05 PM
> To: John Jacobus
> Cc: radsafe
> Subject: Re: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology
>
> John et.al.
>
> I remember the Oak Ridge C.A.R.L. (comparitive anatomy
> research laboratory) performed radiological
> experiments. At that time - late 70's, it was
> difficult to get information from their experiments
> with larger animals. In fact does anyone know if this
> program still exists? I think it went under shortly
> after.
>
> Does anyone know of were that information is located?
> Some was published - Tom Savin
>
>
> --- John Jacobus <jenday1@MSN.COM> wrote:
> > Jim,
> > You missed my point. The charge was made that human
> > research studies were
> > suppressed. They were not, but may have found their
> > way into obscure
> > reports or reported in old scientific and medical
> > journals.
> >
> > First, why would the NRC investigate the Charlie
> > Willis' allegations? Was
> > the meeting he spoke at an investigative session on
> > misconduct, or was his
> > allegation peripheral to the main purpose his
> > presentation? Maybe he
> > comments were one of the issues that lead to the
> > funding of NCRP 136,
> > although I do not remember that K-40 cell
> > experiments being identified in
> > it? (More suppression or non-relevant?)
> >
> > If you do have the transcript, please send it to me
> > at my work address. I
> > have never accused you of sending false information.
> > I only say that after
> > reading the original text, I choose to disagree with
> > your conclusion in the
> > context of your political agenda. I will try to get
> > a copy from the NRC,
> > but it may take a while.
> >
> > I certainly cannot make any statements about your
> > claims of government and
> > regulatory suppression of data, or the individuals
> > involved. I do notice a
> > twing of bitterness in that the scientific
> > committees do not accept your
> > conclusions on the relevance of the data you
> > present. (However, you were
> > referenced in NCRP 136, so I guess they did review
> > the some of your
> > submitted material. If they had accepted the
> > claims, I am sure your view of
> > the NCRP would be different. Such is life.)
> >
> > As for relevant DOE research, I believe they are
> > conducting epidemiological
> > studies of the Myank (sp?) workers in Russia. From
> > a human standpoint, this
> > should be very interest.
> >
> > -- John
> >
> > John Jacobus, MS
> > Certified Health Physicist
> > 3050 Traymore Lane
> > Bowie, MD 20715-2024
> > jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Muckerheide" <muckerheide@attbi.com>
> > To: "John Jacobus" <jenday1@MSN.COM>;
> > <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to
> > biology
>
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