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RE: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology



During two of my tours in the Navy, I was at a radiobiology research

facility where we exposured small animal models (mice, rats, etc.), large

animal models (dogs, pigs, etc.) and subhuman animal models (monkeys, etc.)

to high doses or radiation.  A number of reports were generated.  Some

remained in-house, but data was reported at various scientific meetings and

in the scientific literature.  However, due to the sensitivity of our work,

I doubt you could say our work was widely distributed.  (If you think

anti-nuclear protestors are bad, you cannot imagine what the animal rights

people are like.)



-- John 

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist 

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD  20715-2024



E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)      



-----Original Message-----

From: M Nivas [mailto:motnivas@YAHOO.COM]

Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:05 PM

To: John Jacobus

Cc: radsafe

Subject: Re: Fw: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to biology





John et.al.



I remember the Oak Ridge C.A.R.L. (comparitive anatomy

research laboratory) performed radiological

experiments. At that time - late 70's, it was

difficult to get information from their experiments

with larger animals. In fact does anyone know if this

program still exists?  I think it went under shortly

after.



Does anyone know of were that information is located?

Some was published - Tom Savin







 

--- John Jacobus <jenday1@MSN.COM> wrote:

> Jim,

> You missed my point.  The charge was made that human

> research studies were

> suppressed.  They were not, but may have found their

> way into obscure

> reports or reported in old scientific and medical

> journals.

> 

> First, why would the NRC investigate the Charlie

> Willis' allegations?  Was

> the meeting he spoke at an investigative session on

> misconduct, or was his

> allegation peripheral to the main purpose his

> presentation?  Maybe he

> comments were one of the issues that lead to the

> funding of NCRP 136,

> although I do not remember that K-40 cell

> experiments being identified in

> it?  (More suppression or non-relevant?)

> 

> If you do have the transcript, please send it to me

> at my work address.  I

> have never accused you of sending false information.

>  I only say that after

> reading the original text, I choose to disagree with

> your conclusion in the

> context of your political agenda.  I will try to get

> a copy from the NRC,

> but it may take a while.

> 

> I certainly cannot make any statements about your

> claims of government and

> regulatory suppression of data, or the individuals

> involved.  I do notice a

> twing of bitterness in that the scientific

> committees do not accept your

> conclusions on the relevance of the data you

> present.  (However, you were

> referenced in NCRP 136, so I guess they did review

> the some of your

> submitted material.  If they had accepted the

> claims, I am sure your view of

> the NCRP would be different.  Such is life.)

> 

> As for relevant DOE research, I believe they are

> conducting epidemiological

> studies of the Myank (sp?) workers in Russia.  From

> a human standpoint, this

> should be very interest.

> 

> -- John

> 

> John Jacobus, MS

> Certified Health Physicist

> 3050 Traymore Lane

> Bowie, MD 20715-2024

> jenday1@email.msn.com (H)

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Muckerheide" <muckerheide@attbi.com>

> To: "John Jacobus" <jenday1@MSN.COM>;

> <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:39 AM

> Subject: Re: "Hormetic" responses are intrinsic to

> biology





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