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Re: Subject: RE: Bq soon



The point is that under the reasonable units, 1 Roentgen = ~ 1 rad in tissue.  Thus, a meter which reads in mR/hr also, for purposes of radiation protection, reads in mrad/hr.  If we are forced into SI units, this major operational convenience would be lost.

The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
It's not about dose, it's about trust.
Curies (and rads) forever.

Bill Lipton
liptonw@dteenergy.com

"Jean-Francois, Stephane" wrote:

I thought Roentgen would apply to X-rays in air only ?  No matter what you read, you would need a conversion if you apply that to something else then air ? I fail to see the point.Also since g, the gravitationnal constant is the same pretty much everywhere I go, I am expressing my weight in Kg or Lbs, not in Newtons.

Stéphane Jean-François, Eng., CHP,
Spécialiste en radioprotection-Radiation Safety Specialist
Gestion des risques-Risk Management
Merck Frosst Canada et Cie,
514.428.8695
Fax:514.428.8670
stephane_jeanfrancois@merck.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rogers Brent [mailto:rogersb@epa.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:32 PM
To: 'Ivor Surveyor'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: Bq soon
 
A question for the pro-SI crowd.How do you reconcile using a standard ion chamber type radiation detector that reads out in microSv / hr, and recording that reading as the exposure level?(I hope your answer doesn’t include a discussion of quality factors.Regardless of what you may know about beta & gamma radiation, the meter ain’t displaying microSv / hr)

I think this is my main discomfort with using SI units in that there is no useful conversion for Roentgens.If you are TRULY a proponent of SI, you should have a meter that reads out in Coulombs / kg-hr (or metric subunits thereof), and then try to work with that unwieldy number.Or else only use tissue equivalent meters.

-Brent Rogers

P.S.How many of you express your weight in Newtons? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ivor Surveyor [mailto:isurveyor@vianet.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:38 PM
To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Subject: RE: Bq soon 

To a person living outside of the USA it is a matter of amazement to find the bizarre combination of units used in American texts.  For instance on a single page of a recently published text on Radiation Protection [ J. Shapiro 4th Edition] I found the student had to contend with a plethora of units.

On page 361:   Ft; Ft^2; Ft/min; Ft^3/min;  cm^3/day;  pCi/cc;   microCi/cc;   mCi; MBq

Or on page 372:  1 acre = 4,047 m^2; 1km^2 = 247 Acres; pCi/m^2-s
and a reminder to multiple mCi by 37 to obtain MBq, and pCi by 0.037 to convert to Bq; or Ci by 37 to obtain GBq.

Though out the book there is a continuous need to convert  Sv to rem(s); Gy to rad(s); length in cm, ft or m and so on.

By the way in strict SI there is no place for the cm, cc, or cm^3.  or use of "pleural forms for units.
 

I just wonder how this irrational jumble of old and new units is tolerated.   Surely more then one "Mars probe" must have gone  astray, because of this confusing jumble?   I suspect that more then one author has developed a severe "headache" from proof reading of texts.  The high quality of  many American texts and publications are such as to have a great appeal to international readers     What a waste of intellectual effort is expanded in converting backwards and forwards from one system to the other, as one reads and studies papers, text books, or regulations.

I am not aware of any real problem in Australia or UK when we adopted the SI system, except perhaps a feeling of joyous relief.


Ivor Surveyor  [isurveyor@vianet.net.au] 


 

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