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Re: "Curies forever" (again)



Gets monotonous after a while, doesn't it? 
 
Bill Lipton insists on trivializing the use of statistics to evaluate overall safety as "comparative body counts", which he deems worthless.  (Maybe we should stop using automobile accident rates as indications of the relative safety of intersections, roads, automobile models, safety systems, etc.)
 
But he insists that reducing the rules infraction "percentage" (which are just the statistics HE wants to compare), will magically turn public perception around.  As if the public would know - or care - that the nuclear industry improved some obscure statistic from 99.98% to 99.99%. 
 
Sorry, there is no level of perfection that can be attained on reducing rules infraction rates that will make a bit of difference to the public.  It is the big picture (i.e., the comparative body counts) that they understand.
 
Case in point: the number of violations at Tokaimura was irrelevant to the public until the accident occurred that resulted in the unfortunate deaths.  Why?  Because most people had never heard of Tokaimura before that.  
 
Some questions: if the nuclear industry achieved a 100% infraction-free state, as Mr. Lipton seems to think is possible, when would we know?  Who's decision would it be?  What criteria would be used to decide that perfection had been attained?  How long will it take the public to accept the nuclear industry with open arms -  after a week of no infractions?  A month? A year?  And, most importantly, what would keep the public from immediately blowing off the announcement as just another "nuclear industry / government" lie?  (I can tell you the answer to the last one - nothing!)  In short, it will never happen that way.
 
Vincent King
Grand Junction, CO
 
P.S. And I think suggesting that those with a different opinion than yours are "whining for the right to be as careless as someone else" is insulting to the consciencious individuals that make up the health physics profession.  It is important to have standards and enforce them.  But success in that arena has much less effect on public perception than do the hype-mongers who use (and who often populate) the media.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: "Curies forever" (again)

Bill,
 
As noted several times previously, the phrase "Curies forever" is oxymoronic, yet you continue to use it.
 
Please explain how a Curie can be "forever".
 
Note that I am trying to make you stronger.
 
Jim Dukelow
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
Richland, WA
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: William V Lipton [mailto:liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:12 AM
To: Franta, Jaroslav
Cc: Radsafe (E-mail); multiple (E-mail); Ans-pie (E-mail)
Subject: Re: NG blast (again)

I hope that your whining does not represent the consensus of the nuclear industry; and that most of us have learned, by now, that comparative body counts will NOT win public acceptance.

Tokaimura is being shut down, not because they killed "only" two persons, but because their repeated gross  violations of basic safety procedures caused the loss of public acceptance.

We should be demonstrating that we meet the highest standards, not whining for the right to be as careless as someone else.

Our critics make us stronger.

Our "friends" will put us out of business.

The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
It's not about dose, it's about trust.
Curies forever.

Bill Lipton
liptonw@dteenergy.com