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Re: Background radiation, Geiger counters, and health effects



No, it's not as easy as walking around with a survey meter.  But there are lots of people who know how to identify pathways, collect samples, and make appropriate measurements.  Gamma spectroscopy identifies those radionuclides that aren't part of the natural environment.  Air, water, and crop samples can tell you if radioactive material really is finding it's way to the public. These activities happen around large nuclear facilities every day.  So it's far from an insurmountable feat, and it beats the heck out of neverending insinuation and speculation.
 
The point that Mr. Hess made very well, though, is that if there is a potential problem, there should be known and direct methods to identify the problem and it's magnitude.  And there are.  And using such methods is the straightforward approach of those who truly want to identify and resolve problems. 
 
Those who are more interested in perpetuating a "cause" will reject straightforward approaches, because they don't want real information out where the public can see it.  They would lose support if that happened.  They prefer to tell scary stories about invisible nuclear menaces, and exploit the misery of people who are suffering from illnesses.  Do you ever hear such people insisting that the cause of a supposed public health risk be found no matter what it is?  If they are that concerned, why do they ignore and reject the advice of experts who really know how to answer the questions? 
 
This is why you never hear a response from them when one of us says let's quit fooling around with speculation and get to facts.
 
Come to think of it, there is one situation where the opponents would insist on actual measurements from the experts - they would demand real numbers IF THEY REALLY BELIEVED SOMETHING WAS THERE.  Hmmm...so what does it mean when they change the subject or ignore suggestions for real facts and data?
 
Vincent King
Grand Junction, CO
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Background radiation, Geiger counters, and health effects

In a message dated 6/5/2003 1:15:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, lists@richardhess.com writes:

Isn't it a trivial matter to measure radiation in many areas--walk around
with a Geiger counter in the simplest form--and compare this to background?


Oh, if only it were trivial.  The problem is that one can walk around with a survey meter, and find background ranging from 5 microR per hour to 10 microR per hour within a few feet, depending on the geology of the area (and much more dramatic variations can be found in many areas).  This additional 5 microR per hour, theoretically, presents an additional 5 x 8760 hours per year = 43 millirem per year, or almost half the public dose limit from licensed operations, and almost twice the dose limit from terminated operations.  Is it from "natural" sources?  Or from "man-made" sources?  It is very expensive to find this out, particularly when one is talking about a potentially residually-contaminated site that may cover several hundred acres.

And, we haven't even gotten to the tricky part - i.e., the other pathways.  External radiation is only one component of potential exposure from a "contaminated" site - there may be dose from the migration of contamination to groundwater that ultimately contributes to a drinking water supply, or from the uptake of soil contamination in local vegetation eaten by humans, or by the animals that humans ultimately eat, or there may be resuspension of surface contamination (i.e., kicking up dust) creating an inhalation pathway, and, of course, there is always Justice Breyer's favorite pathway - the dirt-eating children.  Assessing the transfer of contamination through these pathways is an extremely expensive proposition, even with the assistance of the dose-modeling software that exists.

This is why the question of whether the LNT is truly the "conservative" assumption should be re-evaluated.  The public needs to understand the real costs of assessing, let alone remediating, contamination that could theoretically produce doses in the range of background, and in the range of the natural variation of background, but yet are above the "legal" limits.

If it were as simple as going out and swinging a meter through someone's home to satisfy their fears, I think most HPs I know would be more than happy to devote some time to this, but the problem is not at all that simple.

Barbara