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RE: Radiation as religion TRUE BELEIVERS AND PREACHING TO AND AT THE CHOIR
Group,
It never ceases to amaze me how long people will beat a dead horse.
I would also like to see us limit ourselves to technical issues or at least
limit the interminable debates to a small number of responses before people
are obligated to take the discussion off the list. But I suppose Mike would
have to quit his job and spend all day monitoring the debates and sending
out demands for people to take it off the list.
Sometimes I think that it is a conspiracy by the anti nukes to waste the
time of HPs, continually drawing them into endless debates and thereby
distracting them from their work.
That brings up a point that I continually wonder at as I delete without
either opening or reading all the messages by certain individuals and all
with a subject line reading "RE: Whatever the current debate topic is..."
Where do some of you find the time to send 4, 6 or even 8 lengthy e-mail
messages a day, complete with references? Isn't there work you should be
doing for your employer?
Other times I think maybe we are the crafty ones engaging the anti-s in
endless debate thereby distracting them from raising money and misleading
the public.
Most of the time however, I just equate the debaters with campaign workers
who stand on street corners with signs touting their candidate or issue.
Whoever saw a sign that said "Vote for Hickenlooper" and thus decided to
vote for him? [BTW I didn't make that name up, he is the new mayor of
Denver] I have always assumed that those people were well intentioned but
not particularly adept at anything so the candidate or his or her campaign
manager sent them out to be enthusiastic.
My questions to people arguing both sides of these issues is, "Do you really
think you are going to convince anybody on this forum? You are preaching to
the choir!"
There are two reasons I do not quit Radsafe. First is the ability as
indicated above to easily dispense with all the messages that I know just
waste bandwidth. The Second is because I know from experience, that if I
run across something way outside my experience in HP and need more
information that there are people on this list who know ALL ABOUT IT and
maybe even worked on the team that developed it.
I guess then my advice to you Harry would be that unless we can convince
Mike Stabin to change the rules of engagement which seems unlikely, or start
a Technical Only clone of Radsafe is to do what I do. Just ignore the
continual babble of the true believers on both sides and delete all of that
chatter. It is a pity because I think what usually happens is that when a
technical question is asked and answered any subsequent discussion after the
first response and maybe even the first response is taken off the list so as
not to bore people that are not interested in that particular issue. I
don't think that is necessary as, the members of Radsafe can easily delete
technical issues that do not interest them as I do the debates. It is a
shame the debaters don't have a similar respect for the list.
Usually when I am goaded to respond to a Radsafe message, I put it in a
"Drafts" folder and as often as not never send it. However I think I may
just send it. Harry struck a cord in his message and I have talked with a
few Radsafe subscribers and heard a similar sentiment.
Peter G. Vernig
These opinions are completely my own and do not reflect those of the Denver
VA Medical Center, the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, or the U.S. Government.
"...whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is
pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is found to be
excellent or praiseworthy, let your mind dwell on these things." Paul of
Tarsus
-----Original Message-----
From: Anagnostopoulos, Harry W.
[mailto:HAROLD.W.ANAGNOSTOPOULOS@saic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:30 AM
To: 'NiagaraNet@aol.com'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: RE: Radiation as religion too--overly zealous
Folks, when are we going to learn from these examples?
Here is a guy who masks his identity and intentions, raises issues to get
some blood boiling, and then concludes with the message of "some people got
mad at me, so the public should not trust any one of you". This last post is
an adolescent version of a "nanny-nanny-boo-boo", and reveals the true
intentions of the author all along.
Is it any wonder that these type of threads end with so many "unsubsribe
radsafe" messages? What can we learn from this exercise?
I'd really like to see this forum limit itself to the sharing of technical
information and keep opinions out as much as possible. Opinions are best
taken to private e-mail, as I've seen in my past exchanges with similar
"Lurkers".
Obviously, this is an opinion, and mine only.
-Harry
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Harry Anagnostopoulos, CHP
Senior Health Physicist
SAIC
9921 St. Charles Rock Rd.
St. Ann, MO 36074
(314) 429-9340 x22
-----Original Message-----
From: NiagaraNet@aol.com [mailto:NiagaraNet@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:51 AM
To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Cc: NiagaraNet@aol.com
Subject: Radiation as religion too--overly zealous
Dear Radsafers:
An interesting concept--Environmentalism as Religion...
I suppose this makes me Brother Lou, or perhaps Father Lou.
If YOU would allow, I could be Pope and really Pius people off...
But wait, that smoke from the Papal decision chimney will precipitate acid
rain.
I've heard many precepts here on this board and have been accused of much,
but this takes the cake! Talk about insight. Whew baby.
For anyone who wants to take a legal "shot" at me, please feel free.
I for one, will hire lawyers that are EIGHT FEET TALL and brush their teeth
with Beryillium shavings from the floor. Bring it on baby.
For those of you that have questioned my purpose on the RS board--rest
assured, I have the information I need. I'm now LESS confident in the level
of
professionalism that one would expect from people who handle materials
potentially
deadly to mankind. "Oh heck, things aren't THAT harmful...." I wish I could
post all of my off line email from this group. Some of you would be shocked
at
what your own HP, PE, Ph.D. type people have said about some of this blather
and certain individuals. Yes blather. I thank each and every one of those
responsible for the lessons in BULLYING--As I have been accused of several
Xs. Look
at the last digest (entire thread) and see who has been impolite and
unreasonable. I still love you all as any good Pope-type-guy sould. I just
hope some
of you are never standing in front of me on fire--"No thanks honey, I don't
care for a beer right now."
I am honored that this subject, myself and Niagara Falls, New York,
environmental condition have been mentioned about 401 times by those more
learned than
myself :*).
Zealots come in all colors, shapes, sizes and professions. Some are even
driven to act by money.
Is Tammy Faye lurking out there somewhere in Radsafe land too? If "my kind"
represent religion, what do you suppose you represent? YIKES!
I just absolutely LOVE this quote--
>>"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of
> > servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home
> > from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch
> > down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains
> > set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our
> > countrymen." - Samuel Adams
AND--
"Forgive them father for they know not what they do." Jesus Christ of
Nazareth
Sincerely,
Lou Ricciuti
NiagaraNet@aol.com
"Los Alamos ain't got nothin on us here in Niagara."
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Sing this as a Monastic chant over and over again until it is ingrained.
"Spiritus sanctus omnibus--I can play dominos better than you can."
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