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RE: Radiation as religion TRUE BELEIVERS AND PREACHING TO AND AT THE CHOIR



Group,



It never ceases to amaze me how long people will beat a dead horse.



I would also like to see us limit ourselves to technical issues or at least

limit the interminable debates to a small number of responses before people

are obligated to take the discussion off the list.  But I suppose Mike would

have to quit his job and spend all day monitoring the debates and sending

out demands for people to take it off the list.



Sometimes I think that it is a conspiracy by the anti nukes to waste the

time of HPs, continually drawing them into endless debates and thereby

distracting them from their work.



That brings up a point that I continually wonder at as I delete without

either opening or reading all the messages by certain individuals and all

with a subject line reading "RE: Whatever the current debate topic is..."

Where do some of you find the time to send 4, 6 or even 8 lengthy e-mail

messages a day, complete with references?  Isn't there work you should be

doing for your employer?



Other times I think maybe we are the crafty ones engaging the anti-s in

endless debate thereby distracting them from raising money and misleading

the public.



Most of the time however, I just equate the debaters with campaign workers

who stand on street corners with signs touting their candidate or issue.

Whoever saw a sign that said "Vote for Hickenlooper" and thus decided to

vote for him?   [BTW I didn't make that name up, he is the new mayor of

Denver]  I have always assumed that those people were well intentioned but

not particularly adept at anything so the candidate or his or her campaign

manager sent them out to be enthusiastic.



My questions to people arguing both sides of these issues is, "Do you really

think you are going to convince anybody on this forum?  You are preaching to

the choir!"



There are two reasons I do not quit Radsafe.  First is the ability as

indicated above to easily dispense with all the messages that I know just

waste bandwidth.  The Second is because I know from experience, that if I

run across something way outside my experience in HP and need more

information that there are people on this list who know ALL ABOUT IT and

maybe even worked on the team that developed it.



I guess then my advice to you Harry would be that unless we can convince

Mike Stabin to change the rules of engagement which seems unlikely, or start

a Technical Only clone of Radsafe is to do what I do.  Just ignore the

continual babble of the true believers on both sides and delete all of that

chatter.  It is a pity because I think what usually happens is that when a

technical question is asked and answered any subsequent discussion after the

first response and maybe even the first response is taken off the list so as

not to bore people that are not interested in that particular issue.  I

don't think that is necessary as, the members of Radsafe can easily delete

technical issues that do not interest them as I do the debates.  It is a

shame the debaters don't have a similar respect for the list.



Usually when I am goaded to respond to a Radsafe message, I put it in a

"Drafts" folder and as often as not never send it.  However I think I may

just send it.  Harry struck a cord in his message and I have talked with a

few Radsafe subscribers and heard a similar sentiment.



Peter G. Vernig



These opinions are completely my own and do not reflect those of the Denver

VA Medical Center, the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, or the U.S. Government.



"...whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is

pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is found to be

excellent or praiseworthy, let your mind dwell on these things."  Paul of

Tarsus







-----Original Message-----

From: Anagnostopoulos, Harry W.

[mailto:HAROLD.W.ANAGNOSTOPOULOS@saic.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:30 AM

To: 'NiagaraNet@aol.com'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: RE: Radiation as religion too--overly zealous





Folks, when are we going to learn from these examples?



Here is a guy who masks his identity and intentions, raises issues to get

some blood boiling, and then concludes with the message of "some people got

mad at me, so the public should not trust any one of you". This last post is

an adolescent version of a "nanny-nanny-boo-boo", and reveals the true

intentions of the author all along.



Is it any wonder that these type of threads end with so many "unsubsribe

radsafe" messages? What can we learn from this exercise?



I'd really like to see this forum limit itself to the sharing of technical

information and keep opinions out as much as possible. Opinions are best

taken to private e-mail, as I've seen in my past exchanges with similar

"Lurkers".



Obviously, this is an opinion, and mine only.



-Harry



-----------------------------------------------------------

Harry Anagnostopoulos, CHP

Senior Health Physicist

SAIC

9921 St. Charles Rock Rd.

St. Ann, MO  36074

(314) 429-9340  x22





-----Original Message-----

From: NiagaraNet@aol.com [mailto:NiagaraNet@aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:51 AM

To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Cc: NiagaraNet@aol.com

Subject: Radiation as religion too--overly zealous





Dear Radsafers:



An interesting concept--Environmentalism as Religion...



I suppose this makes me Brother Lou, or perhaps Father Lou.

If YOU would allow, I could be Pope and really Pius people off...

But wait, that smoke from the Papal decision chimney will precipitate acid 

rain.



I've heard many precepts here on this board and have been accused of much, 

but this takes the cake!    Talk about insight. Whew baby.



For anyone who wants to take a legal "shot" at me, please feel free.

I for one, will hire lawyers that are EIGHT FEET TALL and brush their teeth 

with Beryillium shavings from the floor. Bring it on baby.



For those of you that have questioned my purpose on the RS board--rest 

assured, I have the information I need. I'm now LESS confident in the level

of 

professionalism that one would expect from people who handle materials

potentially 

deadly to mankind. "Oh heck, things aren't THAT harmful...."  I wish I could



post all of my off line email from this group. Some of you would be shocked

at 

what your own HP, PE, Ph.D. type people have said about some of this blather



and certain individuals. Yes blather. I thank each and every one of those 

responsible for the lessons in BULLYING--As I have been accused of several

Xs. Look 

at the last digest (entire thread) and see who has been impolite and 

unreasonable. I still love you all as any good Pope-type-guy sould. I just

hope some 

of you are never standing in front of me on fire--"No thanks honey, I don't 

care for a beer right now." 



I am honored that this subject, myself and Niagara Falls, New York, 

environmental condition have been mentioned about 401 times by those more

learned than 

myself :*).



Zealots come in all colors, shapes, sizes and professions. Some are even 

driven to act by money. 

Is Tammy Faye lurking out there somewhere in Radsafe land too? If "my kind" 

represent religion, what do you suppose you represent? YIKES!



I just absolutely LOVE this quote--

>>"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of

> > servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home

> > from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch

> > down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains

> > set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our

> > countrymen." - Samuel Adams



AND--

"Forgive them father for they know not what they do." Jesus Christ of 

Nazareth



Sincerely,

Lou Ricciuti

NiagaraNet@aol.com

"Los Alamos ain't got nothin on us here in Niagara."     

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Sing this as a Monastic chant over and over again until it is ingrained.

"Spiritus sanctus omnibus--I can play dominos better than you can."

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