RE: Get your tickets now!

[George, J., Vargo]

Please, for God's sake, please take this discussion off RADSAFE!  We are so

tired and weary that I don't care if I EVER hear of radon again.  Bernie is

clueless as exhibited by his numerous postings in which he is impervious to

the answering the issue at hand in favor of a previously posted web site

position. This has become a Rod Sterling vision of hell, an endless

repetition of mantra and personal theology (e.g., #n of my 'z on item 'y on

my entrenched-belief web site.)  Please, PLEASE do not bait him with further

queries, brickbats, comments or responses!  If you ignore him and keep quiet

he will eventually go away.



I believe I speak for the majority of RadSafe subscribers that we are all

sick and tired of the circular banter.



Bernie, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND.  Please just accept that we all agree to

disagree and leave us in peace.



Please, for the sake of the children!



George J. Vargo, Ph.D., CHP

vargo@physicist.net

610-925-1954

610-925-5545 (fax)





-----Original Message-----

From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of Hart, Tim P GS

(RASO)

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:40 PM

To: 'maury'; Frank Scarano II; 'BERNARD L COHEN'; 'Gary Howard'; 'Radiation

Safety'

Subject: RE: Get your tickets now!





While the tickets have run out I am willing to start a pool as to the date

and time of the last volley in this insane war of words.  Squares will sell

for a very reasonable $1000 each.  The winner will receive 50% of the

profits.  25% of the profits will be given to fund Mr. Cohen's reward.  And

the rest will be divided between any members of RADSAFE that did not

participate in the argument and did not inscribe in frustration of having to

delete all of the useless e-mails.  



Please let this topic die or take the conversation off line.



Tim Hart

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-----Original Message-----

From: maury [mailto:maury@webtexas.com]

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:24 PM

To: Frank Scarano II

Cc: 'BERNARD L COHEN'; 'Gary Howard'; 'Radiation Safety'

Subject: Re: Get your tickets now!





Hi Frank,

I'm genuinely sorry but the circus has become so popular that the regular

tickets have sold out. If we can expand the show with more participants

(ooohhhh nooooo, Mr. Bill, noooooooo) SRO tickets are being considered.

Cheers,

Maury Siskel       maury@webtexas.com

PS Volunteer scorekeepers are needed. Only 6 mos. to go to the awards

ceremony. Beat the crowds; get your ankle biting done early this year.



PPS Applications for new entertainment issues are now being considered. The

only requirement is that your submission must not involve Dr. Cohen -- his

backlog is already overloaded. In fact, his frontlog is also overloaded. It

is amazing how well he bears up under all of this ....

======================= Frank Scarano II wrote:



> Gees

>

>  Where do you get your tickets from?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu 

> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of BERNARD L 

> COHEN

> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:58 AM

> To: Gary Howard

> Cc: Radiation Safety

> Subject: Re: Get your tickets now!

>

> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Gary Howard wrote:

>

>   Dr. Cohen has asked others for explanations why his results

> > do not indicate the demise of the LNT.  Don't ask if you don't want 

> > to receive!

>

>         --I asked for explanations in terms of not implausible, 

> concrete, hypothetical examples. None has been offered

>

> > Field offered reviewers, Cohen rejected them in favor of people who 

> > could care less about epidemiology.

>

>         --My work is not conventional epidemiology, which is intended 

> to determine dose-response relationships. My work should be judged by 

> people who know how to judge a new and novel approach to solving a 

> scientific problem, and willing to follow my tightly reasoned 

> justification while seeking holes in it. Some epidemiologists (and 

> Mossman) view my work as a determination of the dose-response 

> relationship, which I have always

pointed

> out that it is not. I see no indication that they understand my 

> tightly reasoned justification, or have even tried to understand it. 

> Have you

tried?

> If so, can you point out a hole in it?

>

>  Field offered a substative way to

> > find the cause of his discrepancy. Cohen has denied he understands  

> > what

> Field is talking about.  This is why we are getting nowhere.

>

>         --I could understand if he made up a concrete hypothetical 

> example. Without it, I cannot evaluate plausibility, so the



--  snipped  ----------



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