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RE: red abalone shells research



Jeez, makes me wonder how confident I can be about anything coming out of

Oregon State.  



And who is going to granting this guy a doctorate based on this? 



Tom Randall

Health Physicist/Radiation Safety Officer

Maplewood Testing Services

If you can't be kind, at least  have the decency to be vague





-----Original Message-----

From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu]On Behalf Of Mercado, Don

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:23 AM

To: radsafe

Subject: FW: red abalone shells research





Wow! Mass specs and carbon dating? "Radiocarbon" released from nuke weapons?

Hmmmm...



> To All Flipper Dippers:

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> This e-mail message came in via our Club's Web site.

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> There may be some of you "older" divers who might be able to help out in

this investigation of red abalone.

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> Regards,

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> http://www.SJFlipperDippers.com

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> Dear San Jose Flipper Dippers,

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> My name is Robert Leaf and I am a graduate student at Moss Landing Marine

Labs in Moss Landing, California.  My thesis work and interest involves

studying the ecology and life history of red abalone on in Sonoma and

Mendocino counties.  My work thus far has been concerned with using archived

California Fish and Game tag and recapture data to determine natural

mortality, age and growth relationships, and their variability in time and

space.  I have used these data to construct a variety of computer models

that will help managers, such as the California Department Fish and Game, to

make informed decisions about proper size limits and what strategies may be

effective to enhance the recreational fishery.

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> One of the major factors in maintaining the sustainability of the red

abalone fishery is an understanding of how old can get.  Abalone growth has

been shown to be very slow at large sizes and the maximum longevity of red

abalone has not been validated.  Colleagues of mine in the ichthyology lab

at Moss Landing Marine Labs have done some pioneering work using radiocarbon

derived from nuclear testing, referred to as 'bomb carbon', as an

independent chronometer to describe the age of a variety of sharks and

rockfishes.  I would like to apply a similar technique to red abalone.

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> Radioactive carbon was released into the atmosphere by nuclear testing

during the 1940's and 1950's and this radiocarbon was incorporated into

shell material.  When analyzed using a mass spectrometer, a machine that can

detect very low concentrations of an element, the concentration of

radiocarbon in the birth material can be used to determine the date of birth

of the abalone.  This information can be combined with the date that the

abalone was killed to get the age of the animal.

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> I am writing you and the members of your dive organization to ask if

anyone may have red abalone shells collected during the 1950's and  1960's

whose date of collection is known to within about 3 to 5 years.  Obviously

this is a difficult task and that is why I am appealing to you and your

organization.  I am looking to collect 5 to 10 shells of red abalone

harvested in California during this time and will sample the birth material

for radiocarbon.  As I mentioned above the date of harvest must be known

approximately.  It is also necessary to use shells that are in good

condition they must have the outside calcite layer (the part that often

erodes, especially on older specimens).

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> Please let me know if you or any member of your organization would be able

and willing to help me by providing their old shells for my project.  I will

remove some shell material from the outside of the shell and would be happy

to return the shell if the owner would like it back.  I would very much

appreciate any help you may be able to provide me.  I have included a link

to similar work done by researchers in Oregon on red sea urchin using the

same technique for your information.

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> Thank you very much for your time.

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> Sincerely,

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> Robert Leaf

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> <http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2003/Nov03/urchin.htm>

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