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Re: Fwd: Alien Abduction Memories Under Hypnosis/ Re: Strontium-90on Tennessee Highway 95



By the way, prior to aliens from outer space, people

were kidnapped by leprechauns and elves.



--- Stewart Farber <farbersa@optonline.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> NOTE: THE NOTE BELOW WAS SENT TO RADSAFE ON 5/18 BUT

> APPEARS NOT TO HAVE APPEARED 

> ON RADSAFE BECAUSE THE FROM: ADDRESS WAS AN EMAIL

> ADDRESS I USE OTHER THAN 

> THE ONE REGISTERED WITH RADSAFE. I'm RESENDING IT

> SINCE IT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO SOME.

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> ------- Start of forwarded message -------

> From: Stewart Farber <radproject@optonline.net>

> To:  radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu, John Jacobus

> <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>

> Subject: Fwd: Alien Abduction Memories Under

> Hypnosis/ Re: Strontium-90 on 

> Tennessee Highway 95

> Date: 5/18/04 1:19:23 PM

> 

> 5/18/04 10:33:35 AM, John Jacobus

> <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> 

> >I believe that it was in Carl Sagan's book, "The

> >Demon-Haunted World," that some psychologist

> believe

> >people were abduced by aliens from space.  It has

> to

> >be true because the patients said so.

> >

> =========================

> Hi all:

> 

> An interesting intersection of a radiation therapy

> done on hundreds of thousands 

> of young children and possible alien abduction

> memories follows. Bear with me, it might be 

> of interest to some. If not, simply delete.

>  

> I recall hearing about the psychiatrist at Harvard

> [Dr. Mack] who wrote a book 

> about 10 years ago claiming that he had hypnotized a

> number of patients who had 

> alien abduction memories. Many of these people

> studied by the Harvard 

> psychiatrist recalled quite clearly under hypnosis

> that they were held down 

> under bright lights and metal rods inserted up their

> noses or in their ears. 

> 

> This Harvard psychiatrist claimed that these

> memories were "real" --that 

> something really happened to these people. However,

> what happened may have 

> NOTHING to do with aliens but with an ill-advised

> medical procedure done on 

> mostly children from post-WWII up through the mid

> 1970s in some locations -the 

> procedure called Nasal Radium Irradiation [NRI]. The

> CDC now estimates that no fewer [their Lo-Lo 

> Estimate] than 560,000 children received this

> procedure up through 1961 [with a Hi-Hi Estimate of 

> 2,600,000 treated]. The most likely mean number of

> children treated is quite approximately 1,000,000.

> 

> As strange as it may seem, it is possible that some

> of these claimed cases of 

> alien abduction memories may be related to a medical

> procedure received by these individuals as children 

> wherein radium tipped rods [50 mg source strength,

> 0.3 mm Monel encapsulated to maximize beta dose] 

> were inserted three to four times [for a single

> course of therapy] bilaterally up their noses and 

> positioned at the opening of the Eustachian tube to

> shrink the individual's adenoids. See the photo on 

> page one of the following former web page I had

> started on this issue  which came from a medical

> text 

> published by a doctor from Johns Hopkins, to see

> what a child being treated looked like:

> 

> http://www.farber.info/reap/default.htm

> 

> BTW, if anyone is interested in the NRI issue which

> delivered average contact 

> doses to the nasopharynx of about 2,000 rads, they

> can scroll through the above "snapshot" of my

> former, 

> expired web site on this issue. 

> 

> As mentioned in the Annotated Bibliography, NRI was

> found to have had the highest 

> risk of cancer death to a group of children treated

> experimentally by Johns Hopkins from 1948 - 1953 of 

> any of the 4,000 experiments reviewed by the

> President's Advisory Committee on Human Radiation 

> Experiments in their Final Report to Pres. Clinton

> in 1995. NRI was also found to be the only 

> experiment reviewed by the ACHRE to exceed [by a

> factor of about 10] the ACHRE committee's

> preselected 

> threshold for medical notice and followup [excess

> risk of cancer death of 1 in 1,000 experessed over a

> 

> lifetime], but refused to recommend notice. Dr.

> Glatstein, a respected radiation oncologist and one

> of 

> the 14 members of ACHRE, voted in favor of notice

> and followup but was opposed by the other 13 members

> of 

> the committee because it was not "politically

> acceptable" according to Dr. Glatstein to notify

> this 

> [large] population of human radiation experimental

> subjects. So as usual politics [even under Clinton],

> 

> and fears of embarassment by Johns Hopkins

> University and Hospital if medical notice and

> followup were 

> done for 500 or so children [and 7,600 WWII era

> veterans] in the Hopkins NRI experiment, trumped

> science. 

> But I digress. Back to Alien Abductions:

> 

> A friend of mine who collects books on alien

> abductions and other paranormal 

> issues tells me that THE most common theme in every

> alien abduction memory mentioned by people who think

> 

> they were abducted is that the person was held down

> under bright lights and metal rods inserted up 

> their nose or in other body orifices by aliens.

> Oddly enough, of the 1,000 or so people who

> contacted me 

> back in 1996 -97 from Maryland primarily, who

> received NRI treatments after extensive news

> coverage 

> there, a goodly number of individuals treated as

> older children, clearly told me that some doctors 

> inserted the rods into their ears foolishly thinking

> it would help destroy bacteria present with middle 

> ear infections!!  So some children were indeed

> treated with radium rods in the ears as well as in

> the 

> nose with radium tipped rods [to shrink their

> adenoids and open the Eustachian tubes], even though

> there 

> was no evidence or expectation that radium

> irradiation of a middle ear bacterial 

> infection [through the eardrum] was the least bit

> efficacious.

> 

> These children who received NRI [some of whom were

> treated as infants as young as 

> 6 months to only a few years old --average age about

> 8 yo.] would likely have very strange, and sometimes

> 

> repressed memories of what was in some cases a

> traumatic treatment. The child would have been

> required 

> to recline under a bright light while a doctor with

> a 6" or so a parabolic metallic relector with a 

> hole in the middle [for the doctor to view through]

> focused the bright light on the nasal opening so the

> 

> doctor could accurately position the rod through the

> nostrils, past the turbinates in the nasal opening, 

> 

> to the rear of the nasopharynx. There is a photo in

> the book which is a source for the photo in the 

> link above [Proctor, D.F., "The Tonsils and Adenoids

> in Childhood". 1968]  which shows what a child 

> would have seen in looking up at a doctor inserting

> the rod. I haven't yet scanned this photo but it is 

> quite suggestive of a large one-eyed alien form to a

> nervous young child. From the perspective of the 

> child they would see a head with one very bright

> "eye" in the middle which may in a repressed, fuzzy 

> memory have become an "alien" inserting a metal rod.

> Who knows. This may explain some of the strange 

> abduction memories in some people. This is obviously

> just a "hypothesis".

> 

> If a very young child squirmed, or would not keep

> still in their parent's arms 

> while being treated, they were put on a "papoose

> board" and bundled [wrapped in blankets] to

> restraint 

> them for the 10 to 12 minutes duration of each

> irradiation, until the rods were removed. Some older

> 

> children were put in barber chairs in some centers

> in Baltimore which used NRI extensively in the

> 1950s,  

> and straps put on their arms, head and chest to keep

> them perfectly still while they were reclined and  

> the NRI procedure done. What kind of memories might

> these people, treated as children,  have? Perhaps 

> they could not intellectually, in their conscious

> mind,   accept their parents taking them to a 

> doctor to have this done and the repressed memories

> of them having the procedure done took on that it

> was 

> 

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"We cannot escape danger, or the fear of danger, by crawling into bed and pulling the covers over our heads."

-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt



-- John

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com





	

		

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