Re: Article: Lung cancer screening raises OR LOWERS lung cancerrisk

[John Jacobus <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>]

Actually, you don't have to convince me.  You have to

convince the regulators and authorities.  How are you

doing at that?



--- Howard Long <hflong@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Public health DEMANDS benefit (hormesis) be balanced

> against harm!

> 

> Dirty bomb cleanup that removed more than about 10

> rad max exposure would

> HARM all except those profiting from the unnecessary

> cleanup.

> 

>  Is Chronic Radiation an Effective Prophylaxis

> Against Cancer?

> Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Spring

> 2004 9:1,6-11 documents

> 1.5 congenital malformations/1000 <19 yoa (vs 23

> expected) and 3.5 cancers

> /100,000 person-years (vs 116 expected) for

> "radiation doses that averaged

> 0.4 Sv [40 c Sv, 40 rad] - a "collective dose" of

> 4,000 person-Sv".

> Also available at www.oism and www.aapsonline.org

> 

> Do you still say, John, that, " -hormesis is not

> relevant to public health

> policies"?

> (below)

> 

> Howard Long MD MPH

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>

> To: "Howard Long" <hflong@pacbell.net>; "John

> Jacobus"

> <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>; <TConley@kdhe.state.ks.us>;

> <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> Cc: <rad-sci-1@wpi.edu>

> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:52 AM

> Subject: Re: Article: Lung cancer screening raises

> OR LOWERS lung cancer

> risk

> 

> 

> > Leave if you wish.  However, there are many who

> say

> > that the issue of hormesis is not relevant to

> public

> > health policies.  And that is the central

> arguement to

> > position.

> >

> > 1.  Stat Med. 1989 Feb;8(2):173-87.

> > "Issues in analysing the effects of occupational

> > exposure to low levels of radiation." Gilbert ES.

> >

> > 2.  Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2002

> Jun;35(3):414-28.

> >

> > "Hormesis and high-risk groups."

> > Calabrese EJ, Baldwin LA.

> >

> > 3.  Annu Rev Public Health. 2001;22:63-7. 

> Hormesis:

> > implications for public policy regarding

> toxicants.

> > Lave LB.

> >

> >

> > --- Howard Long <hflong@pacbell.net> wrote:

> > > Hormesis IS Established!

> > >

> > > John, I will not leave as last word your clearly

> > > erroneous (and seriously

> > > damaging) statement that, "doses at rates less

> than

> > > 100 mSv cannot be shown

> > > to have

> > >  either a beneficial or detrimental effect.".!  

> NOT

> > >  SO! See references

> > > below.

> > > Howard Long

> > >

> > > ----- Original Message ----- 

> > > From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM>

> > > To: "Howard Long" <hflong@pacbell.net>;

> > > <TConley@kdhe.state.ks.us>;

> > > <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>

> > > Cc: <rad-sci-1@wpi.edu>

> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:34 PM

> > > Subject: Re: Article: Lung cancer screening

> raises

> > > OR LOWERS lung cancer  risk

> > > > I appreciate the information on PSA and its

> > > relation

> > > > to prostate cancer.

> > > >

> > > > While effects can be shown for isolated cases

> of

> > > low dose radiation expose, hormesis will always

> be a

> > > > marginal subject. As I have stated many times,

> > > doses at rates less than 100 mSv cannot be shown

> to have

> > > > either a beneficial or detrimental effect.

> > > >

> > > > --- Howard Long <hflong@pacbell.net> wrote:

> > > > > John and other hormesis marginalizers,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Metastases or regrowth may be indicated

> by

> > > PSA up after prostate

> > > removal

> > > > > or ablation.

> > > > > 2. Radiation oncologists and all other

> > > physicians

> > > > > are greatly inhibited by  lawsuits for any

> > > non-standard treatment.

> > > > > 3.Sensitzing with LDR (10-75 rad) before

> > > radiotherapy of c100rad 3x/week

> > > for

> > > > > 6-8 weeks, has shown much better response of

> > > cancers

> > > > > (see references on Muckerheide's list

> below).

> > > > >

> > > > > Howard Long

> 

> 





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"To be persuasive, we must be believable,

To be believable, we must be credible,

To be credible, we must be truthful."

Edward R. Murrow



-- John

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com





		

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