[ RadSafe ] Re: Big Brother the spectroscopist
Dimiter Popoff
didi at tgi-sci.com
Fri Apr 1 19:00:56 CEST 2005
> Why do these "garbagy" sites even exist? ...
Removing the page won't be much help (the other garbagy
sites Google is eager to find instead of the true site are off
the net for over 2 years).
> I am quite sure you are just being paranoid about your problems with Google.
> There are a host of reasons why the Google spiders will ignore a site or
Well I would expect most people (myself included) would think of
paranoya first when faced with these facts.
However, I would like to see how a search software finds older and newer,
dead and alive copies of the same page and refuses to find *at all* the
page it has verified to exist only about 20 days ago. Trust me, such
behaviour takes human intervention.
> Finally, I would hazard a guess that you do not have much of a chance in the
> marketplace as long as you use proprietary computers. Customers want
> something that will run on a laptop they can buy anywhere.
They can. Network the Nukeman and the laptop you can buy anywhere together,
then use the laptop. If you want the complete illusion to have something
like what my competitors offer, close the display or just don't look at it.
Either case, my prices beat those of the competitors (and the system allows
you to not take the notebook with you if you don't need it among many other
things).
> While I am sure
> you will argue your proprietary OS is superior, you have to cater to what
> customers want.
I do both, actually. Winning customers is not my problem; blocking from
above customers whom I have won, however, has been a problem more than once.
I still don't know how big a problem the Google blockage will
turn out to be. What I do know is it is a deliberate
act, nothing spurious about it.
I cannot produce a list of those who could have done it. Just as I cannot
produce a map of all the nuclei doing this or that in the Sun but I
can say it is daylight when I look through the window and see so.
Dimiter
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> From: "AnaLog Services, Inc." <AnaLog at logwell.com>
> To: <neildm at id.doe.gov>, <radsafe at radlab.nl>,Dimiter Popoff <didi at tgi-sci.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: Big Brother the spectroscopist
> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:50:45 -0500
>
> Why do these "garbagy" sites even exist? Get a copyright notice on your
> actual site, then tell anyone copying it to cease and desist from such
> activity. Of course you want other sites to link to your site since the
> search engines give that a great deal of weight in how they rank pages. I
> note that the "garbagy" site mentioned below is on a university computer
> system; why?
>
> I am quite sure you are just being paranoid about your problems with Google.
> There are a host of reasons why the Google spiders will ignore a site or
> fail to rank it highly. For starters, you have very little content the
> spiders can digest. Meta tags do not help much these days, and if you want
> to be shown on the first page of Google hits, you have to have the best
> content on the subject at issue. Further, the spiders are wise to tricks
> like white text on a white background and other attempts to fool them, and
> will penalize a site for such shenanigans. The spiders cannot see the text
> included in graphics, btw. To summarize, get some content on your site,
> then submit the site to Google so the spiders will start visiting it again.
>
> Finally, I would hazard a guess that you do not have much of a chance in the
> marketplace as long as you use proprietary computers. Customers want
> something that will run on a laptop they can buy anywhere. While I am sure
> you will argue your proprietary OS is superior, you have to cater to what
> customers want.
>
> And I sure like your staff member resting on the shoe!
>
> Syd H. Levine
> AnaLog Services, Inc.
> Phone: 270-276-5671
> Telefax: 270-276-5588
> E-mail: analog at logwell.com
> URL: www.logwell.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dimiter Popoff" <didi at tgi-sci.com>
> To: <neildm at id.doe.gov>; <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:49 AM
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re: Big Brother the spectroscopist
>
>
> > Dave Neil,
> >
> > thanks for taking the time to check it.
> >
> >> Is this your site? http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~apoulev/
> >
> > No, this is one of the garbagy alternatives. It exists on the net
> > since much later than the actual site (in my signature).
> >
> > That not only Google fails to find me is news to me,
> > I had not checked.
> >
> >> ... Google can be "gamed"
> >> by someone with time and/or a network of friends.
> >
> > I can see how Google can be tricked to place some search result below
> > others (I am a very experienced programmer myself, although playing
> > game-like kind of stuff on the net is something I don't have the
> > time for).
> > However, to make Google not put at all a matching page it knows about
> > on a list which has a total of 8 items takes friends with some influence,
> > I can say that.
> >
> > Dimiter
> >
> >
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> >
> >> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Big Brother the spectroscopist
> >> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:13:44 -0700
> >> From: <neildm at id.doe.gov>
> >> To: <didi at tgi-sci.com>, <AnaLog at logwell.com>, <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> >>
> >> Is this your site? http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~apoulev/
> >>
> >> I found it right off using the search criteria you gave.
> >> But then, I use Metacrawler, which checks Google and several
> >> other sites and integrates the result. This was second
> >> from the top on the list it returned. Google can be "gamed"
> >> by someone with time and/or a network of friends. See the
> >> term Google-bombed.
> >> Dave Neil
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
> >> Behalf Of Dimiter Popoff
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:08 PM
> >> To: AnaLog at logwell.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
> >> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re: Big Brother the spectroscopist
> >>
> >>
> >> > ... What they really want you to do is pay them
> >> > money for a better placement. It is just good old capitalism; nothing
> >> > sinister at work here. ...
> >>
> >> Does not appear to be the case. They miss the true site at all and find
> >> both newer scratches and older dead pages with the same text.
> >>
> >> The keywords I used were those I remember a customer had used to
> >> locate me about a month ago: +mca +hpge +truly +digital .
> >> Out of 4 (2 older and one newer alternatives) all the wrong 3
> >> are found and there is no mentioning at all (and no next page with
> >> search results) of the actual page.
> >>
> >> And don't be surprised if things begin to work again shortly (I have a
> >> copy of the
> >> google reply I refer to, of course).
> >>
> >> By the way, the google-bot stopped checking my site
> >> after a customer had found me and contacted me (almost a month ago;
> >> it used to come once or twice a week until then). Another coincidence,
> >> sure.
> >>
> >> > Relax.
> >>
> >> As soon as you can explain how this could occur I sure will, that's a
> >> promise...
> >>
> >> Dimiter
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > From: "AnaLog Services, Inc." <AnaLog at logwell.com>
> >> > To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>,
> >> > "Dimiter Popoff" <didi at tgi-sci.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Big Brother the spectroscopist
> >> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:42:09 -0500
> >> >
> >> > Google is fully capable of screwing things up on their own. The are
> >> > forever
> >> > changing how their robots rank pages, and the results are not always
> >> > pleasing to website owners. What they really want you to do is pay
> >> > them
> >> > money for a better placement. It is just good old capitalism; nothing
> >> > sinister at work here. Relax.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Dimiter Popoff" <didi at tgi-sci.com>
> >> > To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:23 AM
> >> > Subject: [ RadSafe ] Big Brother the spectroscopist
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > I just discovered that a google search which is supposed to locate
> >> > > my site is locating a number of junky alternatives, like old (thus
> >> > > non-existant) addresses, a scratch version a friend of mine
> >> > > had put on his local server newer than the actual site etc.
> >> > > Recently a customer could find me, so the problem is relatively new
> >> > > (2-3 weeks).
> >> > > The reason is obviously in the search engine (I have made no
> >> > > changes to the site since).
> >> > > Now I know I have a number of enemies in the local (Bulgarian)
> >> > > government. However, their arms appear way too short to be able
> >> > > to influence Google; there is only one government I can think of
> >> > > which certainly could do that.
> >> > > Would anyone care to try a guess why this should be done?
> >> > > (I don't really expect anyone who would know to come in).
> >> > > Am I identified as an enemy simply because of the superior
> >> > > spectroscopy technology I happen to have developed? Economically
> >> > > this is microscopic, so I am really puzzled.
> >> > > I know how paranoid this sounds, and I wish I could wake up
> >> > > into a reality where it will be just that ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Dimiter
> >> > >
> >> > >
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