[ RadSafe ] ocean disposal versus the status quo

[James Salsman]

I recommend approaching Greenpeace and the like with the choice between
the status quo, where we have the waste under a few dozen feet of water
leeching into groundwater drinking supplies, and miles of ocean water.
If the casking is done right, the eventual sediment will trap the
daughter and neighbor isotopes well enough to make no difference.

Get them on record early in the debate saying whether ocean disposal
is any worse than the status quo, and then their eventual protests
that it isn't perfect will be weak.  None of the Greenpeace types is
going to defend the status quo, no matter how much they don't want
ocean disposal.

The ideal is the enemy of the acceptable, but the status quo hates us
all and has giant fangs.

Sincerely,
James Salsman

Floyd Flanigan wrote:

> Sounds like a good idea ... but try to get that one past GreenPeace. Logic has little to do with it in most cases.
> 
> Floyd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jjcohen [mailto:jjcohen at prodigy.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:20 PM
> To: Flanigan, Floyd; James Salsman; radsafe at radlab.nl; Kent, Michael D.
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] adjunct points and question about deep
> oceansubduction zone waste disposal
> 
> 
> Subduction disposal would be bothersome, problematic, and unnecessary. Why
> not just simply let solidified waste sink to the bottom of deep ocean
> trenches and forget about it. Given this were done, there in no way that any
> significant human or biological exposure could result. The downside of this
> approach is that it would be so easy and inexpensive  that the large sums of
> money currently available for nucwaste research and activity would no longer
> be available to those profiting from it.
> Jerry Cohen
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Flanigan, Floyd <Floyd.Flanigan at nmcco.com>
> To: James Salsman <james at bovik.org>; <radsafe at radlab.nl>; Kent, Michael D.
> <Michael.Kent at nmcco.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] adjunct points and question about deep
> oceansubduction zone waste disposal
> 
> 
> 
>>What is the opposition to ocean subduction zone disposal?
> 
> 
> That whole 'borate the ocean for reactivity control' thing kind'a sticks in
> my craw personally.
> 
> Floyd W.Flanigan B.S.Nuc.H.P.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
> Behalf Of James Salsman
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:11 PM
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl; Kent, Michael D.
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] adjunct points and question about deep ocean
> subduction zone waste disposal
> 
> 
> Michael Kent wrote:
> 
>  > Is this increase documented in any scientifically peer
>  > reviewed papers, by scientist without an agenda?
> 
> Yes, by two of them, and I'm not going to post them again:
>    http://radlab.nl/pipermail/radsafe/2005-April/001198.html
> 
>  >... How about looking to where these munitions are made?
> 
> They are not burned where they are made, as far as I know.
> 
>  >... How do you know that any birth defect is not caused by
>  > other factors of being in a theater of war?
> 
> Noncombatant cohort studies.
> 
>  >... the human body when exposed to an extreme amount of prolonged
>  > stress (i.e. being in a war zone) suffers some very real side
>  > affects that is analogous to being poisoned.
> 
> Stress was officially ruled out by the DoD in January.  Stress
> does not cause birth defects.  The pyridostigmine bromide and
> other inoculations were all ruled out by 2001.
> 
>  >... I think that with a lot of anti-nuclear people this has
>  > become your religion.
> 
> I am not entirely opposed to nuclear power generation.  If the
> United States would agree to dispose of its nuclear waste in
> deep ocean subduction zones (as I seem to recall the French do)
> then I would drop my opposition to nuclear power.  It would in
> that case be one of the two most appropriate complements to wind
> power, which is the only direct mitigation of greenhouse gas
> effects.  As it is, all our stupid waste disposal pools are an
> invitation to disastrous attacks.
> 
> What is the opposition to ocean subduction zone disposal?
> 
> Sincerely,
> James Salsman
> 
> 
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