Re: give me your opinion

[mark sasser <duke99301@yahoo.com>]

I worked in a pu production bldg. held it in my hands.
 worked on several PU cleanups 234-5 z.....
places like the white room in purix..
there has been no effect to me or my family.
I have worked with all the men who were at severel of the opps that
happend there. no one ever had long term any thing.
there is more danger working in a chem. factory in nj.



---Hulltmsr@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 99-01-27 11:53:20 EST, you write:
> 
> << 1) Once again, is you became sick from inhaling Pu, it would be
10-30 YEARS
>  later. If you needed chelation or lung lavage it could be arranged
(Very
>  unlikely).
>  
>  2) We are not talking IDLH atmosphere here, we are talking airborne
Pu.
>  
>  3) When you say toxicity, do you mean from heavy metal?  Or
radioactivity?
>  So a battery bursts open and knocks your partner out in the same
room as
>  you.  Do you need a APR to respond? From the acid fumes or lead? 
Neither.
>  
>  4) I am appalled how you tied a non-nuclear event (IDLH atmosphere
in a
>  manhole)  to this and any nuclear plant.  Why didn't you bring up a
IDLH
>  manhole at a pet food factory instead?
>  
>  5) This has strayed from the subject.
>  
>  My own opinion.
>  
>  Mike Dempsey
>   >>
> My response to your response to my response to the original
scenario....
> 
> 1) I've never directly handled Pu, though I've studied some about it
and
> generated power from its fission.  I have however been told, and
read, that Pu
> was a very dangerous toxin (poison) and that a very small amount put
into a
> cities water supply could quickly kill thousands of people (not
radiologically
> nor as a heavy metal uptake nor as a carcinogen causing cancer some
20-30
> years later).  Everyone seemed to be addressing this from a
radiological
> standpoint and I was simply asking if the real problem might be the
toxicity
> to the human organism.
> 
> If I have been misinformed, please correct me 
> 
> 2) Whether we are talking Pu or IDLH or fire or explosive materials
or any
> other hazard, my point was simply:  Only fools rush in without at
least some
> sort of cursory evaluation of the conditions they are about to enter.
> 
> 3)  Toxicity, in every dictionary I've ever used, referred to a
poisonous
> substance, such as arsenic, hemlock, i.e., if
consumed/injected/caused to
> enter the body in any manner and in sufficient quantities, the
person dies
> within a short time.  I am not referring to heavy metal uptake.
> 
> 4)  Don't be so appalled.  My example was at a nuclear station
because that is
> where it happened.  The occurence of which I have direct knowledge,
did not
> happen at a pet food factory.  I don't do pet food.  Also, most of
us on
> radsafe are, or have been, involved with radiation/radioactive
materials at
> some nuclear facility.  That 's what we know.  That is where our
experience
> comes from.
> 
> 5)  Then don't stray.  I've worked in nuclear since 1962, operated
reactors,
> trained reactor operations, maintenance, health physics, and other
personnel,
> however, though I've assimilated quite a bit of useful information
over the
> years in this industry, I hoped from the expertise of those involved
with this
> online, I would get this one point made clear to me. 
> 
>  >>>Is Pu more hazardous toxically or radiologically?<<<
> 
> Which is it?? 
> 
>  Thank you for responding to my contribution to this thread.  It is
> unfortunate that you were so appalled at my mentioning a nuclear
station that
> you failed to understand anything else I wrote.
> 
> It is , after all, just my opinion (and that's what this thread
asked for),
> with an honest question thrown in, hoping for clarification.
> 
> Thomas M. Hull RO/SRO/NSS/OS/SOE/IT/TW/HP/Rev/SBD/ASTE 
> 
> hulltmsr@aol.com
>
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