[ RadSafe ] NYT Article: N.Y. Grid Could Stand to Lose Reactors, Panel Says

Wed Jun 14 07:34:01 CDT 2006

Ray,
Thanks.  Personally, I accept that we will have to pay
more for energy cost.  However, the increase is taken
all at once is very painful for those on limited and
fixed incomes.  

--- Raymond A Hoover <ray2hoover at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was there for the last emergency drill.  It was
> licensed to the 5% start-up level (I think).  In all
> probability, the drill and 5% were posturing by Long
> Island Light to get the state to buy them out.  I
> think Long Island Light (and Gas) saw the writing on
> the wall and was using those to get the state to
> hurry things along.  
>    
>   I think the folks who bought in to that whole deal
> were either ignorant of stupid.
>    
>   Yeah I know about the Md thing (I live in VA, just
> outside of DC).  I get the feeling that the people
> of MD were told they were going to a free market,
> even though there was a price cap on the rates. 
> Nobody was smart enough to realize that "there ain't
> no such thing as a free lunch (TANSTAFL, from
> Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistriss).
>    
>   We apparently had a similar deal here in VA, only
> now the state legislation is looking to modify the
> ban on rate changes.
>   
> 
> John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Ray,
> Completed reactor on Long Island did get to full
> power. I guess NY citizens enjoy paying higher
> rates.
> I don't. Do you?
> 
> There is talk in Maryland of delaying both the gas
> and
> electricity rate increases for individuals. However,
> if you choose to do that, you will have to make up
> the
> difference in a few years. 
> 
> --- Raymond A Hoover wrote:
> 
> > Gee, wasn't NY the state that closed down a fully
> > functional nuclear reactor on Long Island ? And
> > then installed gas turbine generators?
> > 
> > And when did Maryland deregulate. They said they
> > deregulated and then did not allow the electric
> > company to not raise prices. That is not what I
> > would call deregulating.
> > 
> > John Jacobus wrote:
> > Jaro,
> > Since I live in Maryland, I do not enjoy the
> > "benefits" of Indian Point or Hydro Quebec power
> > supplies. Personally, I think NY citizens would be
> > fools to shut down Indian Point. That would put
> them
> > at the mercy of Canada, which should be our 51st
> > state
> > anyway.
> > 
> > Does anyone besides me think that deregulation was
> a
> > good idea?
> > 
> > --- Jaro wrote:
> > 
> > > John Jacobus wrote:
> > > Right now I am looking at a 75% increase in
> > utility
> > > rates due to
> > > deregulation.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Don't worry John, our Hydro Quebec will sell you
> > the
> > > electricity you need -
> > > and make a fabulous fortune in the process.
> > > The Provincial utility is pushing hard for
> > > conservation locally, because of
> > > the regulated low prices here -- so that they
> can
> > > sell as much as possible
> > > to you guys, and fleece you royally in the
> > process.
> > > Hydro Quebec would LOVE it if you closed down
> > Indian
> > > Point.
> > > It would drive prices sky-high.
> > > We've got a great gig going here, with the
> > enormous
> > > hydro reservoirs in
> > > James Bay and elsewhere: HQ can buy cheap
> > > coal-generated electricity from
> > > south of the border & from the Atlantic
> Provinces,
> > > when its not needed & the
> > > rates are low, store it in the hydro reservoirs
> > > (i.e. just close the turbine
> > > gates), and then sell it back to you when prices
> > are
> > > high.
> > > Some folks figure it might be a better idea to
> > > negotiate a "power sharing"
> > > contract with HQ, whereby a certain fixed
> service
> > > fee would be paid to HQ
> > > for such energy storage, instead of deferring to
> > the
> > > brutal vagaries of the
> > > open market.
> > > But this idea doesn't seem to have occurred yet
> to
> > > the politicians & power
> > > brokers south of the border, in Ontario, or in
> the
> > > Atlantic Provinces.
> > > Or maybe they just don't worry that much about
> > John
> > > Jacobus' 75% increase in
> > > utility rates?
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> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
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"You get a lot more authority when the workforce doesn't think it's amateur hour on the top floor."
GEN. MICHAEL V. HAYDEN, President Bush's nominee for C.I.A. director.

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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