AW: [ RadSafe ] Cameron's refutation of "Alara Does Work" - Preemployment physicals

Rainer.Facius at Rainer.Facius at
Thu Jun 29 12:32:59 CDT 2006

Thank you Robert,

your comment further clarifies the issue and somehow corroborates my corresponding comment from my German perspective leaving this kind of 'selection bias' a rather implausibel explanation.

Best Regards, Rainer 

Dr. Rainer Facius
German Aerospace Center
Institute of Aerospace Medicine
Linder Hoehe
51147 Koeln
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Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Cameron's refutation of "Alara Does Work" - Preemployment physicals

Having been the recipient of many pre-employment physicals (civilian rad worker and the Navy version of the same), it has not been my experience that a doctor has any real say in what someone will be doing.  This is aside from the obvious case where a potential worker cannot function in a work environment or otherwise fails the physical.

The most common failure I have seen is failure to qualify to wear a respirator.

Robert J. Gunter, CHP
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: howard long <hflong at>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Cameron's refutation of  "Alara Does Work" 
To: Rainer.Facius at, crispy_bird at, jjcohen at,
	mike.bohan at, radsafe at
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Ranier, your careful review of the Boice commentary on Matanoski's presentation of the vast Nuclear Shipyard Study, confirms my belief that healthy worker effect cannot explain the 3 years of life apparently added by exposure of Gulf Coast workers to 0.5 rem extra.
  The only credible (although minor) healthy worker selection I have seen proposed, was here on Radsafe. It was that a doctor giving employment exams might unconsciously have directed persons of less vigorous health away from imagined hazards of radiation exposure, to otherwise identical work. 
  Howard Long

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