[ RadSafe ] Insult

Jean-Francois, Stephane stephane_jeanfrancois at merck.com
Fri Mar 3 07:50:30 CST 2006

Mr. Salsman,

Provocation is never a good tool to carry out your ideas and to convince
people. It is a good tool for TV shows, movies and other public activities
but not on a professionnal list. 

And what I have read was indeed provocation. Instead of sending your
accusations directly to the persons concerned, you choose to share them to
this group. Many of us, and I include myself, were ready to hear your ideas
and even respect your opinion on DU, windmills or any other topics for that
matter, as long as they are brought in a a civil discussion. But personnal
attacks based on opinion are not welcomed on this list. I would suggest, to
cool the game here, to present your apologies to the concerned individuals.

Funny, I just had this same discussion this week with my 4 year old

Stéphane Jean-François, Eng., CHP
Manager, Environmental and Health Physics services
Merck Frosst Canada
stephane_jeanfrancois at merck.com


-----Message d'origine-----
De : radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] De la part
de Roger Helbig
Envoyé : Friday, March 03, 2006 4:27 AM
À : radsafelist
Objet : Re: [ RadSafe ] Insult

Salsman has over abused his privilege to taunt your profession; isn't it
time that he is just removed from the list.  I find it really abominable
that he is posting these insults to the DU list on Yahoo Groups which is run
by the Military Toxics Project, which began as a group of people concerned
that bases that were closed were properly cleaned up and has strayed into a
by invitation only list populated by extremists which make Salsman tame by
comparison.  That alone should be a violation of your list rules which makes
Salsman persona non grata here.

Roger Helbig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: James Salsman 
To: RadSafeInst at cableone.net 
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Insult

Dear Colonel Battle:

Thank you for your comments:

> you, Mr. James Salsman, crossed the line of professional
> (or even common courtesy) in calling a decorated war hero
> ... a "coward".

I owe no courtesy to the profession of killing humans on
command, as I am no longer any part of it.  Has professional
courtesy become so powerful that it allows gross negligence
to continue unchecked?

I make no apology for asking for a review of the events
leading up to the reasoned choice of a powerful weapon
without fair consideration or disclosure of the drawbacks
which were known at the time.

>... I had a (very) little to do with the Air Force choosing
> a DU anti-armor round for the A-10 GAU-8 gun, and I assure
> you no one there had any inkling of possible "side effects"
> from its use!!

Where have we heard that before?  Nobody could have imagined
that people would use airplanes to attack buildings.  Nobody
could have predicted that storm strength would increase.

For goodness sake, Colonel, uranium was a known teratogen as
far back as 1953, in the authoritative text on the subject.
You should know there was even earlier evidence which you
probably have made a promise not to discuss somewhere along
the line.

You are telling me that the military, with their UCMJ
restrictions on free speech, should be afforded any scientific
authority on these matters?  Hogwash.

How brave do you have to be to sit in an airplane and shoot
DU ordnance?  The only kind of bravery I have seen in evidence
of from the military on this issue is the kind it takes to
pay journalists under the table to print "psychological
operations product."  Shame!

James Salsman

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