[ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")

[John R Johnson]

John et al

I don't think the need for potassium is directly related to energy. I don't 
have a medical background but  think potassium is a requirement for 
mammalian life.

I thought this was in ICRP Pub. 23, but despite all the information and 
references given on page 403 it does not state that is is necessary for 
life.

John
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)" <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "John R Johnson" 
<idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry" <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe" 
<radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida 
pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")


> Jim,
> I am not sure what "we" really know. Where is the data
> that shows people in low background areas are in
> poorer health?  If anything, people with better health
> care are healthier.  People who eat better are
> healthier.
>
> What does "but K-40 provides a baseline of 0.25-0.40
> mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation" mean?
>
> My understanding is that life, e.g., protozoans,
> requires energy.  If you deprive an organism of
> energy, be it heat or radiation, it will not survive.
> If the organism lacking K-40 is not supplied with
> external energy, be it thorium sand or a heat lamp, it
> will not survive.  I know that this fit into your
> philosophy, but you may want to consider the
> implications, i.e., it is not radiation but energy
> that makes life.
>
> --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>
>> John, note that I referred to an experiment in which
>> the low-dose
>> deficiency without K-40 was compensated for with
>> either providing K-40,
>> natural potassium, OR external radiation (I
>> understood that it was
>> thorium sand).  It's not the K-40 itself, but K-40
>> provides a baseline
>> of 0.25-0.40 mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation, plus
>> cosmic of course, and
>> generally U/Rn and decay products, to provide a
>> minimal level to
>> maintain health (although we do know that people in
>> the lowest-dose
>> natural background areas are less healthy than
>> people in average or
>> natural high-dose areas).
>>
>> That is, K-40 depletion itself isn't detrimental as
>> long as there is
>> sufficient radiation from other sources!
>>
>> Regards, Jim
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com]
>> >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:58 PM
>> >To: John R Johnson; Muckerheide, Jim (CDA); Jeff
>> Terry; radsafe
>> >Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>> >pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>> >
>> >John,
>> >Yes, I am aware that we need potassium.  My
>> question
>> >is do we need K-40 as some believe.
>> >
>> >--- John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> It has nothing to do with K-40. We all need
>> >> potassium to live, as I pointed
>> >> out recently on Radsafe.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >> ***************
>> >> John R Johnson, PhD
>> >> CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
>> >> Vancouver, B. C.
>> >> Canada
>> >> (604) 222-9840
>> >> idias at interchange.ubc.ca
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)"
>> >> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "John R Johnson"
>> >> <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry"
>> >> <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe"
>> >> <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:02 PM
>> >> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>> >> pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Jim,
>> >> > Beyond cells, is there any proof to your
>> statement
>> >> > regarding K-40?  A citation or two would be
>> nice.
>> >> >
>> >> > --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
>> >> > <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Amen John,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not only would you die without potassium, it
>> is
>> >> >> fairly well homeostatically controlled.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We even know that with just K-39, removing the
>> >> K-40,
>> >> >> and shielding from external radiation, cells
>> and
>> >> >> organisms cease to function.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards, Jim
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >-- John
>> >John Jacobus, MS
>> >Certified Health Physicist
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> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
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> e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
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