K and life --[ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Floridapawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")

Fri Apr 6 17:26:47 CDT 2007

Hello all,
Potassium [along with Na and Mg ] as an electrolyte  [whether K-40 or stable 
K-39] is important to the maintenance of osmotic balance in everything from 
unicellular organisms, to insects,  up to complex higher species [like 
humans  --most of the time]. This  key role for K+ [typically present as 
KCl] has nothing to do with energy, but with electrolyte balance.

If it were not for K in cellular fluids as a major electrolyte which allow 
for "pumping" water against an osmotic gradient, water which has exited a 
higher organism [like humans] with waste/breakdown products via its kidney 
tubules into its dilute urine in the first stage of one's kidney, to be 
resorbed in the final stage of the kidney tubules,  osmotic balance would be 
thrown off and life could not exist.

Stewart Farber, MS Public Health
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John R Johnson" <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
To: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>; "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)" 
<Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "Jeff Terry" <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe" 
<radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: 
Floridapawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")

> John et al
>
> I don't think the need for potassium is directly related to energy. I 
> don't have a medical background but  think potassium is a requirement for 
> mammalian life.
>
> I thought this was in ICRP Pub. 23, but despite all the information and 
> references given on page 403 it does not state that is is necessary for 
> life.
>
> John
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> John R Johnson, PhD
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
> To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)" <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "John R 
> Johnson" <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry" <terryj at iit.edu>; 
> "radsafe" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida 
> pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>
>
>> Jim,
>> I am not sure what "we" really know. Where is the data
>> that shows people in low background areas are in
>> poorer health?  If anything, people with better health
>> care are healthier.  People who eat better are
>> healthier.
>>
>> What does "but K-40 provides a baseline of 0.25-0.40
>> mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation" mean?
>>
>> My understanding is that life, e.g., protozoans,
>> requires energy.  If you deprive an organism of
>> energy, be it heat or radiation, it will not survive.
>> If the organism lacking K-40 is not supplied with
>> external energy, be it thorium sand or a heat lamp, it
>> will not survive.  I know that this fit into your
>> philosophy, but you may want to consider the
>> implications, i.e., it is not radiation but energy
>> that makes life.
>>
>> --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
>> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>>
>>> John, note that I referred to an experiment in which
>>> the low-dose
>>> deficiency without K-40 was compensated for with
>>> either providing K-40,
>>> natural potassium, OR external radiation (I
>>> understood that it was
>>> thorium sand).  It's not the K-40 itself, but K-40
>>> provides a baseline
>>> of 0.25-0.40 mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation, plus
>>> cosmic of course, and
>>> generally U/Rn and decay products, to provide a
>>> minimal level to
>>> maintain health (although we do know that people in
>>> the lowest-dose
>>> natural background areas are less healthy than
>>> people in average or
>>> natural high-dose areas).
>>>
>>> That is, K-40 depletion itself isn't detrimental as
>>> long as there is
>>> sufficient radiation from other sources!
>>>
>>> Regards, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com]
>>> >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:58 PM
>>> >To: John R Johnson; Muckerheide, Jim (CDA); Jeff
>>> Terry; radsafe
>>> >Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>>> >pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>>> >
>>> >John,
>>> >Yes, I am aware that we need potassium.  My
>>> question
>>> >is do we need K-40 as some believe.
>>> >
>>> >--- John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> John
>>> >>
>>> >> It has nothing to do with K-40. We all need
>>> >> potassium to live, as I pointed
>>> >> out recently on Radsafe.
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >> ***************
>>> >> John R Johnson, PhD
>>> >> CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
>>> >> Vancouver, B. C.
>>> >> Canada
>>> >> (604) 222-9840
>>> >> idias at interchange.ubc.ca
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
>>> >> To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)"
>>> >> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "John R Johnson"
>>> >> <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry"
>>> >> <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe"
>>> >> <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:02 PM
>>> >> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>>> >> pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Jim,
>>> >> > Beyond cells, is there any proof to your
>>> statement
>>> >> > regarding K-40?  A citation or two would be
>>> nice.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
>>> >> > <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Amen John,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Not only would you die without potassium, it
>>> is
>>> >> >> fairly well homeostatically controlled.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We even know that with just K-39, removing the
>>> >> K-40,
>>> >> >> and shielding from external radiation, cells
>>> and
>>> >> >> organisms cease to function.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards, Jim
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >
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>>> neither
>>> >omnipotent or omniscient - that we are only 6
>>> percent of the
>>> >world's population; that we cannot impose our will
>>> upon the
>>> >other 94 percent of mankind; that we cannot right
>>> every wrong
>>> >or reverse each adversity; and therefore there
>>> cannot be an
>>> >American solution to every world problem."
>>> >-- John F. Kennedy
>>> >
>>> >-- John
>>> >John Jacobus, MS
>>> >Certified Health Physicist
>>> >e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++
>> "We must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or 
>> omniscient - that we are only 6 percent of the world's population; that 
>> we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind; that we 
>> cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity; and therefore there 
>> cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
>> -- John F. Kennedy
>>
>> -- John
>> John Jacobus, MS
>> Certified Health Physicist
>> e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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