[ RadSafe ] Fw: [NoMoreDU] Fw: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
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bobcherry at satx.rr.com
Wed Apr 11 09:22:52 CDT 2007
As a scientist and as a military officer while on active duty, I stated my opinion for the record that the only way to prove that our soldiers (other than those hit by "friendly" fire) are not uptaking DU in significant (or even measurable) quantities is to make the measurements.
As Army Radiation Safety Officer before I retired in 2001, I recommended to the Army Medical Department that it should set up a program for the next war to take a statistically valid number of samples from returning soldiers to demonstrate the uptake or lack thereof of DU. (Do not ask me what happened following my recommendation. I do not know, but other military Radsafers may.)
Therefore, I have no objection to States deciding to look for DU uptake. as long as:
(1) The samples are taken under appropriate controls to prevent cheating.
(2) The States send their samples to a reputable and appropriately accredited radiological laboratory that includes a proper QA/QC program.
If the States do so, I am confident that they will discover what I have always believed: Uptake of DU by our soldiers is not occurring to any significant degree (with the exceptions noted above). If my hypothesis is refuted, I will accept it.
But if the States send their samples to an ad hoc laboratory set up by activists, such as the one that almost always finds DU whenever and wherever it looks for it, I will not trust the laboratory results nor any conclusions drawn from them.
Bottom line: If these studies are done properly, the anti-DU activists will regret asking for them. Some of them may even fall off their gravy train, but from what I have seen and heard from them I think both of these outcomes are improbable.
Significant downsides are the waste of time, efforts,and resources that would be better applied in other areas for our war veterans, the anxiety that these veterans might feel, and the veterans' mistrust and loss of pride in war service that the activists' false and self-serving allegations have caused. But properly done experiments always trump theories. These State measurements, properly done, ought to put the DU health issue to rest.
Bob C
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at california.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:09 am
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fw: [NoMoreDU] Fw: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
To: radsafelist <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> The NY City group is crowing about convincing the Hawaii
> legislature to pass a law that begins with totally false
> information about DU. Alfred Lamont Webre of British Columbia is
> the latest con-artist to climb aboard the DU gravy train.
>
> Carl Lundgren <cllundgren at earthlink.net> wrote: To:
> nomoredu at yahoogroups.comFrom: "Carl Lundgren"
> <cllundgren at earthlink.net>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:13:22 -0400
> Subject: [NoMoreDU] Fw: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
>
> Hi All,
> Sheree just posted this message about the pending DU legislation
> in Hawaii.
> We can all help get this signed into law by writing to Gov. Linda
> Lingle of
> Hawaii, expressing our support for the bill. Let her see that
> there is
> international support for this and that the No More DU community
> standstogether. In addition, we need to begin and continue a
> letter writing
> campaign to the Canadian government demanding that they enforce
> their own
> laws pertaining to the manufacture and sale of WMD as explained in
> a recent
> post by our newest group member Dr. Alfred Lambremont Webre of
> Canada. Dr.
> Webre has already been in touch with Florence Gold and has sent
> her a list
> of the legislators in Ottawa to whom we should write. I'll post
> the list
> ASAP.
> Carl
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Sheree
> > To: Carl Green Party NYC ;
> ; melissa 3.07
> > Date: 4/6/2007 5:23:38 PM
> > Subject: Fw: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Maui Peace Action"
> > To: "Lisa Long" ; "Marti Townsend"
> > ; "Susann McCarthy" ; "Marilyn Hoff"
> > ; "Bob Nichols" ;
> "Carolyn
> > Hadfield" ; "Cory (Martha) Harden" ;
> > "Dan Ho" ; "Danny Li" ; "dennis
> kyne"
> > ; "Doug Fox" ; "Doug Milholland"
> > ; "Dr. Doug Rokke" ; "Dr.
> > Janette Sherman" ; "Dr. Lorrin Pang"
> >
> ; "Dr. Rosalie Bertell"
> ;
> > "Erik Kvam" ; "Henry Curtis"
> > ; "Jay Scharf" ; "Jim
> > Albertini" ; "K. Kajihiro" ; "Karen
> > Chun" ; "Kat Brady"
> > ; "Kyle Kajihiro"
> ;
> > "Lance Holter" ; "Lcruz"
> ; "Leuren
> > Moret" ; "Marsha Joyner" ;
> > "Melissa Sterry" ; "NION"
> > ; "Ruth Hsu" ; "Sheree"
> > ; "Sol Kaho'ohalahala" ;
> > "Stokesberry, Mele" ; "Stroud, Bill"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:35 PM
> > Subject: Fw: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
> >
> >
> > > Dear DU network, please forgive any double sends. This is from
> Kahea's> > Marti Townsend with details for upcoming strategies for
> getting the DU
> > > bill
> > > passed and signed. Thanks.
> > > Mele Stokesberry, Maui Peace Action
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marti Townsend"
> > > To: ; "Kyle Kajihiro" ;
> "Kyle
> > > Kajihiro" ; "Terri Kekoolani" ;
> > > ; "Mele Stokesberry"
> ;
> > > "Jay Scharf" ; "Josh Dawson"
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 12:40 PM
> > > Subject: DU bill PASSED!! New challenge: Gov. Lingle
> > >
> > >
> > >> Aloha All,
> > >>
> > >> Please forward this far and wide with big mahalos to everyone
> who sent
> in
> > >> testimony. It worked!!
> > >>
> > >> H.B. 1452 SD1 passed the Senate WAM Committee yesterday. It
> is on its
> > >> way
> > >> to conference committee now - that's where members from the
> House and
> > > Senate
> > >> get together to work out differences between the various
> versions of
> the
> > >> bill.
> > >>
> > >> We are lucky that the conference committee members to be
> assigned to
> this
> > >> bill all support the effort and are not likely to stick in
> anythingbad.
> > >>
> > >> Sen. Baker, Chair of WAM, did mention at the hearing that the
> Attorney> >> General had some concern about jurisdiction and state
> access to
> military
> > >> property. I have a call in to the AG's office to see if there is
> someone
> > > we
> > >> can speak to, maybe get more info and assuage any of their
> concerns.> >>
> > >> I know that some of us still want to see at least one or two
> otherplaces
> > >> tested in addition to Schofield Barracks. I don't think it
> can hurt to
> > > ask.
> > >> We can cross that bridge when we find out for sure who the
> conference> >> committee members are (will probably be Rep.
> Morita, Rep. M. Oshiro,
> Sen.
> > > L.
> > >> Inouye, and Sen. Baker - we'll know around April 12th).
> > >>
> > >> The next big hurdle is Gov. Lingle. We need to really put the
> burdenon
> > > her
> > >> to sign this bill. One tactic is to mention her whenever you
> speakabout
> > >> the bill.
> > >>
> > >> Also, I have a call into her office to meet with staff to
> discuss the
> > >> bill
> > >> and hopefully convince them it is something she needs to
> sign. Now,
> they
> > >> may write back and say no need to meet, we support the bill.
> In which
> > > case,
> > >> job done and we won... it's Miller time. But more likely,
> they will
> try
> > > to
> > >> just deal via email or phone, but I think it is really
> important for a
> > > broad
> > >> contingent to represent this bill to her administration so I
> am going
> to
> > >> push for a meeting. I don't know when it will be yet, but if
> you're> >> interested in participating please let me know and I
> will keep you
> > >> posted.
> > >> I'll be shame if I push for this in-person meeting and I am
> the only
> one
> > > who
> > >> shows. :)
> > >>
> > >> Now, if we get the sense that they are reluctant to support
> this bill
> > >> (who
> > >> couldn't?!), then we will have to mount a mini-campaign to
> pressureher
> > >> to
> > >> sign it. We will have 20 days after the end of session to get
> the bill
> > >> signed into law - so that's like May 20th or so. We can talk
> about> > strategy
> > >> for that later, if it comes to that.
> > >>
> > >> That's about it. Attached is the current version of the bill
> and a
> press
> > >> release I wrote yesterday (take a look and edit, if
> can).
> > >>
> > >> I just gotta say this was a great example of all the
> different
> > >> communities
> > >> of our islands coming together on a crucial issue and making this
> system
> > > and
> > >> this bill work for us. I've been involved in other legislative
> > > initiatives
> > >> that weren't nearly as successful as this and I think it is
> due in
> large
> > >> part to how well we all worked together. So, please everybody
> > > congratulate
> > >> yourselves, we did a good job.
> > >>
> > >> Mahalo piha!!
> > >> Marti.
> > >>
> > >> ____________________________
> > >> Marti Townsend
> > >>
> > >> KAHEA: The Hawaiian-Environmental Alliance
> > >> P.O. Box 270112
> > >> Honolulu, Hawai'i 96827
> > >>
> > >> www.kahea.org
> > >> tel. 808.524.8220
> > >> fax. 808.524.8221
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>
>
>
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