[ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")

Wed Apr 11 15:49:42 CDT 2007

Right John, but for all life not just mammalian.  Sodium and potassium
form the cell membrane pumps that provide access and release of cell
molecules.

Regards, Jim 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R Johnson [mailto:idias at interchange.ubc.ca] 
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:55 PM
>To: John Jacobus; Muckerheide, Jim (CDA); Jeff Terry; radsafe
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida 
>pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>
>John et al
>
>I don't think the need for potassium is directly related to 
>energy. I don't 
>have a medical background but  think potassium is a requirement for 
>mammalian life.
>
>I thought this was in ICRP Pub. 23, but despite all the 
>information and 
>references given on page 403 it does not state that is is 
>necessary for 
>life.
>
>John
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
>To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)" <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; 
>"John R Johnson" 
><idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry" <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe" 
><radsafe at radlab.nl>
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:06 PM
>Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida 
>pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>
>
>> Jim,
>> I am not sure what "we" really know. Where is the data
>> that shows people in low background areas are in
>> poorer health?  If anything, people with better health
>> care are healthier.  People who eat better are
>> healthier.
>>
>> What does "but K-40 provides a baseline of 0.25-0.40
>> mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation" mean?
>>
>> My understanding is that life, e.g., protozoans,
>> requires energy.  If you deprive an organism of
>> energy, be it heat or radiation, it will not survive.
>> If the organism lacking K-40 is not supplied with
>> external energy, be it thorium sand or a heat lamp, it
>> will not survive.  I know that this fit into your
>> philosophy, but you may want to consider the
>> implications, i.e., it is not radiation but energy
>> that makes life.
>>
>> --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
>> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>>
>>> John, note that I referred to an experiment in which
>>> the low-dose
>>> deficiency without K-40 was compensated for with
>>> either providing K-40,
>>> natural potassium, OR external radiation (I
>>> understood that it was
>>> thorium sand).  It's not the K-40 itself, but K-40
>>> provides a baseline
>>> of 0.25-0.40 mSv of 24/365 1/4 radiation, plus
>>> cosmic of course, and
>>> generally U/Rn and decay products, to provide a
>>> minimal level to
>>> maintain health (although we do know that people in
>>> the lowest-dose
>>> natural background areas are less healthy than
>>> people in average or
>>> natural high-dose areas).
>>>
>>> That is, K-40 depletion itself isn't detrimental as
>>> long as there is
>>> sufficient radiation from other sources!
>>>
>>> Regards, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com]
>>> >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:58 PM
>>> >To: John R Johnson; Muckerheide, Jim (CDA); Jeff
>>> Terry; radsafe
>>> >Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>>> >pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>>> >
>>> >John,
>>> >Yes, I am aware that we need potassium.  My
>>> question
>>> >is do we need K-40 as some believe.
>>> >
>>> >--- John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> John
>>> >>
>>> >> It has nothing to do with K-40. We all need
>>> >> potassium to live, as I pointed
>>> >> out recently on Radsafe.
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >> ***************
>>> >> John R Johnson, PhD
>>> >> CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
>>> >> Vancouver, B. C.
>>> >> Canada
>>> >> (604) 222-9840
>>> >> idias at interchange.ubc.ca
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
>>> >> To: "Muckerheide, Jim (CDA)"
>>> >> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us>; "John R Johnson"
>>> >> <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; "Jeff Terry"
>>> >> <terryj at iit.edu>; "radsafe"
>>> >> <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:02 PM
>>> >> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] LAT Article: Florida
>>> >> pawnshop'sradioactivesurprise("Yellow cake")
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Jim,
>>> >> > Beyond cells, is there any proof to your
>>> statement
>>> >> > regarding K-40?  A citation or two would be
>>> nice.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
>>> >> > <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Amen John,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Not only would you die without potassium, it
>>> is
>>> >> >> fairly well homeostatically controlled.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We even know that with just K-39, removing the
>>> >> K-40,
>>> >> >> and shielding from external radiation, cells
>>> and
>>> >> >> organisms cease to function.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards, Jim
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
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>>> >-- John F. Kennedy
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>>> >-- John
>>> >John Jacobus, MS
>>> >Certified Health Physicist
>>> >e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
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>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++
>> "We must face the fact that the United States is neither 
>omnipotent or 
>> omniscient - that we are only 6 percent of the world's 
>population; that we 
>> cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind; that we 
>> cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity; and 
>therefore there 
>> cannot be an American solution to every world problem."
>> -- John F. Kennedy
>>
>> -- John
>> John Jacobus, MS
>> Certified Health Physicist
>> e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
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