[ RadSafe ] uranium combustion product inhalation

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Dear Franz and list
Both DU and tungsten projectiles kill by "conventional " hazards - direct hit of fragments and fire or explosion of ammunition in the affected vehicle. About 22 soldeirs in the 1st Gulf war were injured by DU fragmnets - none suffered renal toxicity to the best of my knowledge.
I agree that my prime concern (as an MD) in case of exposure to DU projectile hit (without visible injury)is to avoid chemical injury.
Tungsten was used in projectiles in the past (and perhaps is still in use - thanks God I have left the army business), with modern armor I doubt it is still as effective as DU, but this is off off topic.
Dov Brickner     MD
Beer-Sheva   ISRAEL

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Franz Sch?nhofer
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:40 AM
To: Steven Dapra
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] uranium combustion product inhalation

Steven,

The DU "bullets" and projectiles are made to effectively kill people. Is
there nobody on RADSAFE who understands this very basic fact?

The second basic fact, which obviously nobody out there and not even the
creme de la creme of radiaton protection which one would expect at RADSAFE
seems to understand: Uranium is much more chemotoxic than radiotoxic. DU is
even less radiotoxic than natural uranium, whilst its chemotoxicity is the
same. We could take this very simple conclusion from scientific facts, that
somebody poisoned by uranium would rather suffer or die from chemotoxicity
of uranium before the radiotoxicity would be able to affect the persons
health.

ANYBODY AT RADSAFE STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SIMPLE FACT??????? In spite
of this clear statement I am reasonable enough to be aware that we will have
tomorrow the same discussions about the "radioactive DU".

So what is all this discussion about? We have to live with these people who
have very good contacts to mass media stars and contribute their nonsense -
not only in the USA but to some extent in Europe as well. But judging from
our US collegues at this international forum they do not dare to simply say,
"This is nonsense, because chemotoxicity of uranium as a heavy metal would
be much more detrimental than due to its radioactivity". The idea of
developing tungsten projectiles is an even worse perversion of the weapons
industry - in order to kill people "politically correctly" without the
drawback of perceived risk to own fighters millions of $ are spent.

I better stop here.....

Best regards,

Franz

2007/2/10, Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>:
>
> Feb. 10
>
>         No one is making "bullets" out of DU.  Bullets and DU projectiles
> are entirely different objects.  Tell me this, though, James.  If "we"
> could use DU weapons without contaminating friendlies or civilians with
> uranyl would you be willing to accept their use?  What if "we" didn't
> contaminate the friendlies and civilians with uranyl, but contaminated
> them
> with some other substance?  Is it uranyl contamination that you find
> objectionable, or do you object to all types of contamination that come
> from DU projectiles?
>
>         The manner in which you ask about restitution constitutes begging
> the question.  First we need to establish whether or not anyone *should*
> make restitution.  That is a --- pardon the "M" word --- moral question
> and
> there will probably never be a generally accepted answer.
>
> Steven Dapra
> sjd at swcp.com
>
>
> At 11:08 PM 2/9/07 -0800, James Salsman wrote:
>
> [edit]
>
> >When we make mistakes, we apologize and try to do better in the future.
> >
> >Making bullets out of depleted uranium is a monumental mistake in any
> >situation where friendlies or civilians can become contaminated with
> >uranyl. We need to apologize.
> >
> >How much of the restitution should come from those responsible for the
> >poor decision making?
>
>
>
>
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