[ RadSafe ] Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

Sun Mar 30 16:59:04 CDT 2008

Dr. Long,
  It appears that you did not read my reply.  Again, it is for physicians like yourself to tell the public about your belief in radiation benefits.  HPs are not as looked to and admired as physicians as yourself.  

  Surely you tell all of your patients about the benefits of sitting on welding rods and keeping KCl de-icing salt under your bed.  I assume that you do so, or do you not care about improving the health of your patients?

  I would also encourage you to respond off list server.

  howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> wrote:

Why HPs to sell and assist with low dose radiation treatment and supplements?
Because, as whenever I refer patients to specialists, it is better for the patient.

Precedent is in laser treatment of retinal detachment. One of my patients, not an MD
but specialty trained on the equipment, trains ophthalmologists to do this on his equipment. 
If I were the patient, I would have greater confidence in the combined talents.

Howard Long

PS. My 24 pp of Cameron's work are not yet attaching. I persist, for those requesting it.

----- Original Message ----
From: John Jacobus 
To: howard long ; John R Johnson 
Cc: Fred Dawson ; radsafe at radlab.nl; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:29:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

Dr. Long,
Why are you asking HPs to foster the benefits of radiation exposure? Is it not the job of physicians to encourage healthy life styles to their patients?

As a physician, why do you not communicate with your peers about the benefits? Speak at seminars and meetings write articles. Physicians listen to other physicians.

Please do not as HPs to do your work. We have enough of our own.

howard long wrote:
John Johnson and all,
Who but HPs should guide (protect from overdose, yet prescribe optimum):
1, low dose (~75 cGy) radiation treatment of local infections and bursitis
(Cuttler). 
2, even lower dose (1-10 cGy/yr) prolongation of life and health, indicated by 
"ubiquitous" cellular, animal and epidemiologically studies. ( Bobby Scott). 

Radition (UV or ionizing) is "essential trace energy" (Cameron). 
Hot skin warns of UV overdose. There is no similar early warning from ionizing radiation.
Who but HPs should encourage benefit but avoid overdose from prolonged exposure, 
as with radon in European spas, the Health Mine, Ramsar, Iran (up to ~200 cGy/yr),
U ore, thoriated rods in one's seat or KCl under the mattress, etc?

Who is studying the individual variation in response to low dose (1-10 cGy/yr)?
In radiation oncology (high dose), some burn with same dose others do not.
Does benefit or harm vary also from low dose, (as with smoking, 
asbestos exposure, "flu", etc)?

Will HPs learn to protect from too little radiation, as nutritionists do 
in correcting diet deficiencies?

Howard Long

----- Original Message ----
From: John R Johnson 
To: howard long 
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl; Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:54:49 PM
Subject: Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

Howard

I don't understand you. 

What has "sitting on thoriated welding rods 3 hours a day" and "sunbathing an hour a week" have to do with health physics or radiation protect?

John
***************
John R Johnson, PhD
CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
4535 West 9th Ave
Vancouver, B. C.
V6R 2E2, Canada
idias at interchange.ubc.ca

Original Message ----- 
From: howard long 
To: John Jacobus ; John R Johnson ; Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com 
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

John,
Your persistent denigration of Cameron's work 
does require correction to all Radsafe.

NSWS revelation of amazing reduction in total mortality
(0.76 expected vs controls that eliminated healthy worker effect)
when >0.5 rem accumulated addition, MUST have included 
reduction in heart disease (over 30% of total mortality).

This small addition of 0.5 rem (rad, cSv etc) is less than 
a whole body scan and about what I get from 
sitting on thoriated welding rods 3 hours a day, and
even more convenient than my sunbathing an hour a week 
for another healthful radiation supplement. 

I have a cc of Cameron's analysis for all who e-mail for it.
There was no more healthy worker effect than in the controls.

Thank you for keeping HPs aware.

Howard Long

----- Original Message ----
From: John Jacobus 
To: howard long ; John R Johnson ; Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:42:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Scientists discover possible radiation and heart disease link

Dr. Long,
Sorry to take so much time getting back to you and your conjecture, but the NSWS did NOT report on heart disease. Also, you are again citing a epidemiological study has been judged as being flawed. If you need to cherry-pick data, you should at least use a credible study.

That being said, please reply to me off list if you wish to continue this discussion. 

howard long wrote:
Opposite - less CV mortality with more radiation - must be true in the NShipyardWS 
with just 0.76 total mortality rate in those with > extra 0.5 rem vs workers otherwise identical,
as published by Cameron.

Howard Long

----- Original Message ----
From: John R Johnson 
To: Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:39:38 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Scientists discover possible radiation and heart disease link

Fred

There is a link between radiation and cardiovascular disease. See Darby et 
al (BMJ Vol. 326, pp256-257, 2003) and our poster at the IRPA-11 meeting.

John
***************
John R Johnson, PhD
CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
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