[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 - Finding a Non-solution for a non-problem
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Fri Apr 30 11:06:26 CDT 2010
The root cause of the problem (or non-problem) was the basic pronounciation by the National Academy of Sciences that a geologic repository was the only 'sate' way to dispose of radioactive waste back in 1957. Note that notwithstanding that pronouncement the bulk of the radioactive waste (LL) is going into shallow landfills not geologic repositories. The rest is and can continue to be stored safely above ground until we rethink the solution (non-solution?).
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4. Re: Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment (Doug Huffman)
5. Re: Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment (Daniel Kane)
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ate: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
rom: Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
ubject: [ RadSafe ] Fw: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
o: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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o: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
ent: Sun, March 28, 2010 5:02:28 PM
ubject: Re: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
on, Sandy, et al,
too, am disgusted with the several decades of floundering and the billions of
ollars that have been squandered seeking an acceptable solution to the non-
roblem of nuclear waste management. Perhaps some effort to define the nature of
he problem should precede a massive effort to find a solution.?
erry Cohen
________________________________
rom: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
o: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
c: "radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
ent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:10:14 AM
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear waste
Expands the concept of pouring porckulus money down a black hole beyond
ven the blackguard's wildest dreams.
On 3/25/2010 21:58, Perle, Sandy wrote:
Yet another study where there already exists a solution!
Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear waste
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 25, 2010 10:36 a.m. EDT
The Obama administration opposes storing nuclear waste at Nevada's Yucca
ountain site.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
? ? ? ? ? ? Government panel reviewing where to store nuclear waste
? ? ? ? ? ? Process could take more than a year
? ? ? ? ? ? Panel expected to reject Yucca Mountain site
? ? ? ? ? ? $10 billion has already been spent on Yucca
Washington (CNN) -- A government-appointed commission will start reviewing
hursday ways to permanently store the United States' nuclear waste.
The Department of Energy's Blue Ribbon Commission has been given the task of
inding an alternative to the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada, which President
bama has vowed to close.
The government has spent nearly $10 billion studying the Yucca Mountain
ocation, and the Obama administration estimates that ending the program will
ave $197 million in 2011.
The Obama administration announced in January that the blue-ribbon panel would
ake a new look at the problem. The panel is headed by former Democratic Rep.
ee Hamilton and former Republican National Security adviser Brent Scowcroft.
It is highly likely that the 15-member commission will abandon the option to
tore nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.
It is expected to take 18 months for the commission to conclude its findings,
nd that isn't sitting well with several lawmakers from states with temporary
uclear waste storage sites.
House members Tuesday introduced a bipartisan resolution to block the closure
f Yucca Mountain, according to media reports.
Rep. Jay Inslee, D-Washington, said the resolution calls on the Department of
nergy to follow the will of Congress.
"Keeping waste scattered across the country, or in the case of Washington
tate at Hanford, is no longer an option," Inslee said in a statement. "We have
solution to this problem and we must move forward."
The Hanford facility is one of more than 100 nuclear sites across the country
here about 70,000 tons of radioactive waste are stored. An estimated 2,000 tons
re added every year. How federal funds are being used to clean up Hanford
After uranium has been used in a reactor, the spent fuel remains radioactive
or thousands of years. It is taken out and put into a pool of water, or above
round in canisters made of concrete, steel and lead.
There's never been a plan B.
--- Michael Voegele, consultant on Yucca Mountain site
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says the canisters are certified for up to
0 years of use, but that term may be extended.
Both supporters and opponents of nuclear power largely agree that storing the
aterial in casks at nuclear plants is no long-term solution.
If the blue-ribbon commission decides to abandon Yucca Mountain as a nuclear
torage facility, there are concerns in southern Nevada over what will be done
ith the site.
"For years, there's never been a fallback, there's never been a plan B," says
ichael Voegele, who's been involved with the Yucca Mountain project for
ecades.
Voegele, a consultant with Nevada's Nye County, says it was "only recently"
hat people began to discuss other possible uses for the site.
The search for future uses of Yucca only came into question, according to
oegele and others, when the Department of Energy filed a petition to withdraw
ts Nuclear Regulatory Commission license application for Yucca Mountain earlier
his month, effectively killing the project.
The Department of Energy filed its petition to withdraw the license
pplication with prejudice, which would prevent it from being refilled.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada has fought hard to end the Yucca
ountain project, which is unpopular with many Nevadans. He has asked the
overnment Accountability Office to consider alternative uses for the site.
hose alternatives include national security activities and renewable energy
esearch.
But the closure of the project could have a major economic impact in the
egion. Gary Hollis, the chairman of the Nye County Board of Commissioners, says
losing Yucca Mountain slams the door on 4,000 construction jobs and about 1,500
ermanent jobs that would have been created if the site ever got up and running.
____________________
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ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:36:29 -0600
rom: Dan <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>
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o: Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
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Dear Jerry et al:
Having worked on the beast at Yucca Mointain, WIPP, the Nebraska LLRW,
he Mexico LLRW, sites in Czech Republic and Slovakia, there are a
umber of problems that could be identified as focal points of issue
or any waste facility.
The ultimate objective should be to identify and characterize those
erformance features that contribute to the overall performance.
deally, this would seem to imply characterization of relatively
imple geology.
In both WIPP and Yucca Mountain, a great deal of effort was made to
haracterize all aspects of the geology, hydrology and engineering,
ot just those aspect that contributed to the performance.
For WIPP, formalized performance assessment eventually focus on about
0 parameters, and all other aspects which had been rigorously
nvestigated at massive cost were set to "worst case" simply because
hey contributed so little either one way or the other. WIPP was the
impler of the two in terms of Performance Assessment.
I believe that Yucca Mountain failed for three reasons: 1)
rresistanle quantities of funding allowed any possible research to be
onducted; 2) Lack of a coordinated Performance Assessment plan early-
n which would have narrowed the required focus for FEPs that were
mportant and 3) The inevitable rise of a political tone surrounding
he effort.
There was perhaps a 4th cause: Work was performed soley by the DOE /
abs and contractors and not the companies focused on a solution. As I
ecall, the repository was to have been opened in 2000.
Another potential mistake was giving up very early on alternate sites
nd eliminating reprocessing which placed all the eggs in one basket.
I guess that makes 5 issues!
There wa an article in Scientific American focused on bedded salt back
n the 60s that I read with interest at the time. Amazing that we have
ome so far and accomplished so little.
Dan ii
FEPa ==> Features, Events and Processes
Dan W McCarn
otGreenChile at gmail.com
1-505-310-3922
ent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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From: Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
To: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 5:02:28 PM
Subject: Re: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
Don, Sandy, et al,
I too, am disgusted with the several decades of floundering and the
billions of dollars that have been squandered seeking an acceptable
solution to the non- problem of nuclear waste management. Perhaps
some effort to define the nature of the problem should precede a
massive effort to find a solution.
Jerry Cohen
________________________________
From: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
To: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
Cc: "radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear
waste
Expands the concept of pouring porckulus money down a black hole
beyond
even the blackguard's wildest dreams.
On 3/25/2010 21:58, Perle, Sandy wrote:
> Yet another study where there already exists a solution!
>
> Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear waste
>
> By the CNN Wire Staff
> March 25, 2010 10:36 a.m. EDT
>
> The Obama administration opposes storing nuclear waste at Nevada's
> Yucca Mountain site.
> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
> ? Government panel reviewing where to store nuclear waste
> ? Process could take more than a year
> ? Panel expected to reject Yucca Mountain site
> ? $10 billion has already been spent on Yucca
>
> Washington (CNN) -- A government-appointed commission will start
> reviewing Thursday ways to permanently store the United States'
> nuclear waste.
>
> The Department of Energy's Blue Ribbon Commission has been given
> the task of finding an alternative to the Yucca Mountain site in
> Nevada, which President Obama has vowed to close.
>
> The government has spent nearly $10 billion studying the Yucca
> Mountain location, and the Obama administration estimates that
> ending the program will save $197 million in 2011.
>
> The Obama administration announced in January that the blue-ribbon
> panel would take a new look at the problem. The panel is headed by
> former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton and former Republican National
> Security adviser Brent Scowcroft.
>
> It is highly likely that the 15-member commission will abandon the
> option to store nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.
>
> It is expected to take 18 months for the commission to conclude its
> findings, and that isn't sitting well with several lawmakers from
> states with temporary nuclear waste storage sites.
>
> House members Tuesday introduced a bipartisan resolution to block
> the closure of Yucca Mountain, according to media reports.
>
> Rep. Jay Inslee, D-Washington, said the resolution calls on the
> Department of Energy to follow the will of Congress.
>
> "Keeping waste scattered across the country, or in the case of
> Washington State at Hanford, is no longer an option," Inslee said
> in a statement. "We have a solution to this problem and we must
> move forward."
>
> The Hanford facility is one of more than 100 nuclear sites across
> the country where about 70,000 tons of radioactive waste are
> stored. An estimated 2,000 tons are added every year. How federal
> funds are being used to clean up Hanford
>
> After uranium has been used in a reactor, the spent fuel remains
> radioactive for thousands of years. It is taken out and put into a
> pool of water, or above ground in canisters made of concrete, steel
> and lead.
>
> There's never been a plan B.
> --- Michael Voegele, consultant on Yucca Mountain site
> The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says the canisters are certified
> for up to 90 years of use, but that term may be extended.
>
> Both supporters and opponents of nuclear power largely agree that
> storing the material in casks at nuclear plants is no long-term
> solution.
>
> If the blue-ribbon commission decides to abandon Yucca Mountain as
> a nuclear storage facility, there are concerns in southern Nevada
> over what will be done with the site.
>
> "For years, there's never been a fallback, there's never been a
> plan B," says Michael Voegele, who's been involved with the Yucca
> Mountain project for decades.
>
> Voegele, a consultant with Nevada's Nye County, says it was "only
> recently" that people began to discuss other possible uses for the
> site.
>
> The search for future uses of Yucca only came into question,
> according to Voegele and others, when the Department of Energy
> filed a petition to withdraw its Nuclear Regulatory Commission
> license application for Yucca Mountain earlier this month,
> effectively killing the project.
>
> The Department of Energy filed its petition to withdraw the license
> application with prejudice, which would prevent it from being
> refilled.
>
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada has fought hard to end
> the Yucca Mountain project, which is unpopular with many Nevadans.
> He has asked the Government Accountability Office to consider
> alternative uses for the site. Those alternatives include national
> security activities and renewable energy research.
>
> But the closure of the project could have a major economic impact
> in the region. Gary Hollis, the chairman of the Nye County Board of
> Commissioners, says closing Yucca Mountain slams the door on 4,000
> construction jobs and about 1,500 permanent jobs that would have
> been created if the site ever got up and running.
>
> ____________________
> Sander C. Perle
> President
> Mirion Technologies
> Dosimetry Services Division
> 2652 McGaw Avenue
> Irvine, CA 92614
>
> +1 (949) 296-2306 (Office)
> +1 (949) 296-1144 (Fax)
>
> Mirion Technologies: http://www.mirion.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 10:38:34 -0400
rom: "Bill Rowan" <browan at self-powered.com>
ubject: [ RadSafe ] Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment
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NRC has just published a petition for rulemaking open for public comment at
WW.Regulations.Gov identified by searching NRC-2010-0088.
Petitioner Dan Kane requests: the petitioner requests that the provisions
hat govern temporary storage of spent fuel after cessation of reactor
peration be revoked, that licensing of new nuclear power plants cease, and
hat existing operating nuclear power plants be phased out. The petitioner
elieves these suggestions are necessary until the NRC can be assured of the
echnical and economic certainties of a waste disposition decision and
ssociated political certainties in light of the current administration's
roposed defunding of the Yucca Mountain Repository for permanent disposal
nd storage of spent nuclear fuel.
Just passing the information along for those that want to weigh-in.
Bill Rowan
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ate: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:40:47 -0500
rom: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment
o: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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Kane may be telling the blackguard to "fish or cut bait", to embrace
uclear power or declare himself the green-blackguard.
On 4/5/2010 09:38, Bill Rowan wrote:
NRC has just published a petition for rulemaking open for public comment at
WWW.Regulations.Gov identified by searching NRC-2010-0088.
Petitioner Dan Kane requests: the petitioner requests that the provisions
that govern temporary storage of spent fuel after cessation of reactor
operation be revoked, that licensing of new nuclear power plants cease, and
that existing operating nuclear power plants be phased out. The petitioner
believes these suggestions are necessary until the NRC can be assured of the
technical and economic certainties of a waste disposition decision and
associated political certainties in light of the current administration's
proposed defunding of the Yucca Mountain Repository for permanent disposal
and storage of spent nuclear fuel.
Just passing the information along for those that want to weigh-in.
Bill Rowan
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ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:42:52 -0400
rom: "Daniel Kane" <dankane at mindspring.com>
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment
o: "'Bill Rowan'" <browan at self-powered.com>,
<radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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Just to clarify -
I am not the petitioner, my specialty is nuclear medicine physics.
Dan Kane
ssociates in Medical Physics, LLC
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ent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:39 AM
o: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
ubject: [ RadSafe ] Proposed NRC Regulation open for comment
NRC has just published a petition for rulemaking open for public comment at
WW.Regulations.Gov identified by searching NRC-2010-0088.
Petitioner Dan Kane requests: the petitioner requests that the provisions
hat govern temporary storage of spent fuel after cessation of reactor
peration be revoked, that licensing of new nuclear power plants cease, and
hat existing operating nuclear power plants be phased out. The petitioner
elieves these suggestions are necessary until the NRC can be assured of the
echnical and economic certainties of a waste disposition decision and
ssociated political certainties in light of the current administration's
roposed defunding of the Yucca Mountain Repository for permanent disposal
nd storage of spent nuclear fuel.
Just passing the information along for those that want to weigh-in.
Bill Rowan
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ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:23:11 -0500
rom: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
ubject: [ RadSafe ] Indian Point Denied Water Permit
o: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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According to the New York Times, Indian Point was denied a water
ermit needed for NRC recertification.
ttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/nyregion/04indian.html?ref=science
Somewhere some governor should encourage nuclear plants to be built in
is/her state and tax out of state energy sales at 300%. Call yourself
he energy state, you could probably end up like Nevada or Florida
ith no state income tax.
Entergy should probably shut the two reactors. I wonder how NYC would
eplace 30% of the electricity supply overnight.
Jeff
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Message: 7
ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:23:49 -0700
rom: "Edmond Baratta" <edmond0033 at comcast.net>
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Fw: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
o: "Dan" <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>, "Jerry Cohen" <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
c: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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Dear All:
Apparently there may never be a solution to this problem. There are too
any people involved and no one will be satisfied with any solution.
owever I do hope in time one will be found. Everyone wants 'Wind Power'
ncluding our late and present Senators in Massachusetts. Although, when it
as proposed to put them off in the Cape, they were the first to object.
he one reason Yucca Mountain was opposed was because of 'Senator Dingy
arry' (NIMBY).
Ed Baratta
edmond0033 at comcast.net
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rom: "Dan" <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>
ent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 11:36 PM
o: "Jerry Cohen" <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
c: <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Fw: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
> Dear Jerry et al:
Having worked on the beast at Yucca Mointain, WIPP, the Nebraska LLRW,
the Mexico LLRW, sites in Czech Republic and Slovakia, there are a number
of problems that could be identified as focal points of issue for any
waste facility.
The ultimate objective should be to identify and characterize those
performance features that contribute to the overall performance. Ideally,
this would seem to imply characterization of relatively simple geology.
In both WIPP and Yucca Mountain, a great deal of effort was made to
characterize all aspects of the geology, hydrology and engineering, not
just those aspect that contributed to the performance.
For WIPP, formalized performance assessment eventually focus on about 30
parameters, and all other aspects which had been rigorously investigated
at massive cost were set to "worst case" simply because they contributed
so little either one way or the other. WIPP was the simpler of the two in
terms of Performance Assessment.
I believe that Yucca Mountain failed for three reasons: 1) Irresistanle
quantities of funding allowed any possible research to be conducted; 2)
Lack of a coordinated Performance Assessment plan early- on which would
have narrowed the required focus for FEPs that were important and 3) The
inevitable rise of a political tone surrounding the effort.
There was perhaps a 4th cause: Work was performed soley by the DOE / Labs
and contractors and not the companies focused on a solution. As I recall,
the repository was to have been opened in 2000.
Another potential mistake was giving up very early on alternate sites and
eliminating reprocessing which placed all the eggs in one basket.
I guess that makes 5 issues!
There wa an article in Scientific American focused on bedded salt back in
the 60s that I read with interest at the time. Amazing that we have come
so far and accomplished so little.
Dan ii
FEPa ==> Features, Events and Processes
Dan W McCarn
HotGreenChile at gmail.com
+1-505-310-3922
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
> To: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
> Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 5:02:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Finding a non-solution for a non-problem
>
>
> Don, Sandy, et al,
> I too, am disgusted with the several decades of floundering and the
> billions of dollars that have been squandered seeking an acceptable
> solution to the non- problem of nuclear waste management. Perhaps some
> effort to define the nature of the problem should precede a massive
> effort to find a solution.
> Jerry Cohen
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
> To: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
> Cc: "radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear
> waste
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> Expands the concept of pouring porckulus money down a black hole beyond
> even the blackguard's wildest dreams.
>
> On 3/25/2010 21:58, Perle, Sandy wrote:
>> Yet another study where there already exists a solution!
>>
>> Panel to study what to do with U.S. nuclear waste
>>
>> By the CNN Wire Staff
>> March 25, 2010 10:36 a.m. EDT
>>
>> The Obama administration opposes storing nuclear waste at Nevada's
>> Yucca Mountain site.
>> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> ? Government panel reviewing where to store nuclear waste
>> ? Process could take more than a year
>> ? Panel expected to reject Yucca Mountain site
>> ? $10 billion has already been spent on Yucca
>>
>> Washington (CNN) -- A government-appointed commission will start
>> reviewing Thursday ways to permanently store the United States' nuclear
>> waste.
>>
>> The Department of Energy's Blue Ribbon Commission has been given the
>> task of finding an alternative to the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada,
>> which President Obama has vowed to close.
>>
>> The government has spent nearly $10 billion studying the Yucca Mountain
>> location, and the Obama administration estimates that ending the
>> program will save $197 million in 2011.
>>
>> The Obama administration announced in January that the blue-ribbon
>> panel would take a new look at the problem. The panel is headed by
>> former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton and former Republican National
>> Security adviser Brent Scowcroft.
>>
>> It is highly likely that the 15-member commission will abandon the
>> option to store nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain.
>>
>> It is expected to take 18 months for the commission to conclude its
>> findings, and that isn't sitting well with several lawmakers from
>> states with temporary nuclear waste storage sites.
>>
>> House members Tuesday introduced a bipartisan resolution to block the
>> closure of Yucca Mountain, according to media reports.
>>
>> Rep. Jay Inslee, D-Washington, said the resolution calls on the
>> Department of Energy to follow the will of Congress.
>>
>> "Keeping waste scattered across the country, or in the case of
>> Washington State at Hanford, is no longer an option," Inslee said in a
>> statement. "We have a solution to this problem and we must move
>> forward."
>>
>> The Hanford facility is one of more than 100 nuclear sites across the
>> country where about 70,000 tons of radioactive waste are stored. An
>> estimated 2,000 tons are added every year. How federal funds are being
>> used to clean up Hanford
>>
>> After uranium has been used in a reactor, the spent fuel remains
>> radioactive for thousands of years. It is taken out and put into a pool
>> of water, or above ground in canisters made of concrete, steel and
>> lead.
>>
>> There's never been a plan B.
>> --- Michael Voegele, consultant on Yucca Mountain site
>> The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says the canisters are certified for
>> up to 90 years of use, but that term may be extended.
>>
>> Both supporters and opponents of nuclear power largely agree that
>> storing the material in casks at nuclear plants is no long-term
>> solution.
>>
>> If the blue-ribbon commission decides to abandon Yucca Mountain as a
>> nuclear storage facility, there are concerns in southern Nevada over
>> what will be done with the site.
>>
>> "For years, there's never been a fallback, there's never been a plan
>> B," says Michael Voegele, who's been involved with the Yucca Mountain
>> project for decades.
>>
>> Voegele, a consultant with Nevada's Nye County, says it was "only
>> recently" that people began to discuss other possible uses for the
>> site.
>>
>> The search for future uses of Yucca only came into question, according
>> to Voegele and others, when the Department of Energy filed a petition
>> to withdraw its Nuclear Regulatory Commission license application for
>> Yucca Mountain earlier this month, effectively killing the project.
>>
>> The Department of Energy filed its petition to withdraw the license
>> application with prejudice, which would prevent it from being refilled.
>>
>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada has fought hard to end the
>> Yucca Mountain project, which is unpopular with many Nevadans. He has
>> asked the Government Accountability Office to consider alternative uses
>> for the site. Those alternatives include national security activities
>> and renewable energy research.
>>
>> But the closure of the project could have a major economic impact in
>> the region. Gary Hollis, the chairman of the Nye County Board of
>> Commissioners, says closing Yucca Mountain slams the door on 4,000
>> construction jobs and about 1,500 permanent jobs that would have been
>> created if the site ever got up and running.
>>
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ate: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:46:13 -0700
rom: "Earley, Jack N" <Jack_N_Earley at RL.gov>
ubject: [ RadSafe ] Perceived vs. Real Risk
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Or under-regulation vs. over-regulation. People worry about an imaginary cancer
isk from potential radiation exposures, but don't give a second thought to the
eal risks they're exposed to every day.
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