[ RadSafe ] NET iquette

Wed Aug 11 02:23:50 CDT 2010

Remember Godwin's law people.

It's working one more time.

Codrut Cherestes

2010/8/11 Ted de Castro <tdc at xrayted.com>

>  Thanks - this has been a most entertaining thread - I guess being retired
> I just don't get my daily minimum dose of petty bickering and silly
> politics!
>
> Anyhow - I don't really see the fuss!  I use Mozilla Thunderbird as my mail
> client and it CLEARLY identifies the name of the sender before I even open
> the message!  And I don't really care who he/she works for - besides after
> all these years I know most of you, one way or another, and so affiliation
> doesn't matter to me.
>
> I've always considered RADSAFE communication friendly and INFORMAL and thus
> NOT requiring formats, protocols and the like.
>
> Like I said - It's been fun!
>
>
> On 8/10/2010 6:50 PM, Edmond Baratta wrote:
>
>> I agree with Franz.  We could also include all the tens of millions of
>> Chinese murdered by Mao and tens of millions murdered by Stalin in the
>> Soviet Union and Eastern Europe for political and other reasons.  Perhaps
>> some of the Radsafers are to young (or not born) to remember this.
>>
>> Ed Baratta
>>
>> edmond0033 at comcast.net
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:50 PM
>> To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>; "'JeffTerry'" <
>> terryj at iit.edu>; "'Radsafe'" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>
>> My last response to you regarding this Franz. Stop this leap to Nazism,
>>> absolutely ridiculous. A rule on a list server that has a moderator, like a
>>> club or social organization, can modify membership rules. We're not talking
>>> about killing millions of people.
>>>
>>> Your response is really beneath you as both an individual and as a
>>> professional, and is uncalled for.
>>>
>>> No further comment from me regarding this.
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:40 PM
>>> To: Perle, Sandy <SPerle at mirion.com>; 'Jeff Terry' <terryj at iit.edu>;
>>> 'Radsafe' <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>>
>>>
>>> If you think that rules can be modified to meet the norm (????) of
>>> "today"
>>> you justify all those deads of the Nazi "legislation", the holocaust)
>>>
>>> How did you ever, who clearly justifies by this mail the murder of
>>> several
>>> million people dare to post something like this on RADSAFE.
>>>
>>> Get back to reality.
>>>
>>> Franz
>>>
>>>
>>> Schoenhofer, PhD
>>> MinRat i.R.
>>> Habicherg. 31/7
>>> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>>> AUSTRIA
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Perle, Sandy
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:53
>>> An: Jeff Terry; Radsafe
>>> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>>
>>> Rules can always be modified to meet the needs of the day. What was
>>> important 20 years ago may not be the norm of today. Rules are not static
>>> and should be dynamic. Lastly, the list moderator who takes on all of the
>>> IT
>>> and moderation duties has the responsibility to establish the rules, or,
>>> he
>>> who holds the ball makes the rules. That worked for me for 61 years!
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Fro: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:43 PM
>>> To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the rules clearly state "When posting to the list include at
>>> least
>>> your full name and preferrably, if applicable, address, professional
>>> details, etc."
>>>
>>> Note the preferrably, it is a suggestion and not a requirement. It has
>>> been
>>> this way since July 2008, the last time that the rules were modified: see
>>> for example: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
>>>
>>> In fact, the preferrably may be dropped shortly. Another change likely to
>>> be
>>> coming is that the list will likely set the default reply back to the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Franz Schönhofer wrote:
>>>
>>> Sandy,
>>>>
>>>> Again you disappoint me severely.
>>>>
>>>> The RADSAFE rules clearly state that the posters should identify
>>>>
>>> themselves
>>>
>>>> and give their affiliation. So this is not a matter of "company policy".
>>>> This rule cannot be overruled in my opinion by the fact that somebody is
>>>> afraid of retaliation by his company. I have already posted that I do
>>>> not
>>>> understand why people do not send their messages from their private
>>>> e-Mail
>>>> connection - I repeat it!
>>>>
>>>> Many mails, recently some which were intended to ridicule me and
>>>> blackmail
>>>> me were sent on RADSAFE. You defended a well known troll, you explained
>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>> you know another person, who stated that I never have submitted anything
>>>> reasonable to RADSAFE. It might be that you know him, but he should
>>>> stand
>>>> for his message by giving his name and affiliation. I am almost sure
>>>> that
>>>> most of RADSAFErs do not know him. At least I do not know him.
>>>>
>>>> There are RADSAFE rules and they should not be substituted by
>>>> "company/organisation policy". I have above clearly shown how company
>>>> restrictions can be overcome.
>>>>
>>>> Again, somebody who cannot stand for his views and opinions should not
>>>>
>>> post
>>>
>>>> on RADSAFE.
>>>>
>>>> Franz
>>>>
>>>> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>>>> MinRat i.R.
>>>> Habicherg. 31/7
>>>> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>>>> AUSTRIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Perle,
>>>> Sandy
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 18:01
>>>> An: Jeff Terry; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>>>
>>>> It all comes down to the company/organization polifcy regarding internet
>>>> use/E-Mail or other means of communication. It is not or right unless
>>>> it's
>>>> dealt with at the specific facility. Radsafe has continued to be a venue
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> exchange ideas. The platform opportunities are endless, evev if the
>>>> membership are not.
>>>>
>>>> Let's focus on the many issues that face us today and generations that
>>>>
>>> come
>>>
>>>> in the future and less as to when or how a post eventually makes it to
>>>> the
>>>> list. Now that would be ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> Sandy Perle
>>>> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:39 AM
>>>> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, it appears that I do have such free time.
>>>>
>>>> Some private and state/federal employers feel that it is a component of
>>>> public outreach to allow employees to post to a list of this nature.
>>>> Some
>>>> prefer to have their people post a tiny disclaimer. I don't see how this
>>>> could possibly be a problem?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Franz Schönhofer
>>>>
>>> <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do they have so much
>>>>> spare time during working hours to deal with RADSAFE?
>>>>>
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