[ RadSafe ] Chernobyl-land, "pigs"

Sat Dec 25 06:36:20 CST 2010

Well said Franz and thanks for the lesson on wild boar of Europe. I will
take your advice of trying the jamon serrano!
Best,
Chris

2010/12/22 Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>

> Hi, Chris,
>
> Thank you for this very short question! For me this is a heartwarming sign,
> that on RADSAFE humour had not been killed yet, in spite of obvious
> attempts. I hope my reply will be received accordingly!
>
> A clear and short answer "No I do not go pig hunting." But - as short
> answers have to have this "but", there are several reasons, some of them
> being semantic and even more practical:
>
> "Pig", translated into German and obviously also in all other languages I
> know (they are quite a few!) means the domesticated pig, which delights us
> with its cutlets, ham, knuckles, liver, even kidney and other special parts
> of its muscles, which are used in dozens of different dishes. It is usually
> kept in custody, most often in barns and sometimes has a sad life indoor,
> being fed all kind of rubbish from other agricultural practices.
>
> Then we have those "lucky" creatures, who are kept outside barns in open
> air, feed on or are fed with "real food". I never have understood, why an
> animal which is anyway slaughtered has to be called "lucky".....
>
> Next step in the hierarchy: I have been recently for more than two months
> in
> Sevilla, Spain, not for the first time. In Southern Spain, Andalusia, there
> is a race of really black "pigs", (called "pata negra" (black feet). A
> large
> part of them is kept in areas with plenty of oak trees, the bark of which
> is
> used as corks in the wine and spirit industry. Those pata negras, fattened
> from the fruits of the oak trees are the ideal material for producing a
> very
> special ham, salted and dried for usually several years. If you or other
> RADSAFErs ever have a chance to get hold into "jamon serrano" of "cerdo
> iberico" (iberian pig - pata negra), "bellota" (oak fruit fed)- try it!
> There are of course more open secrets on these animals - just question me.
> I
> drove home with my car with three "jamon serrano" for my "children". I know
> for sure that neither during the Chernobyl accident nor any time after
> there
> were any concentration values measured coming even close by orders of
> magnitude to any level of concern.
>
> But the second big part of the question raised is "wild boar"!!!! A wild
> boar cannot at all be compared with a pig in a stable - look at them!!!
> Also
> semantically they are in the languages I know strictly differentiated.
> ----------------------------------------------
> Radiation Protection......
>
> Wild boars roam in the forests, eat whatever eatable they find, they dig
> for
> roots, for worms, underground mushrooms like truffles, etc. etc. I have
> done
> with a good friend a longlasting research programme after the Chernobyl
> accident. More has been done in Bavaria - all the results should be
> available on the internet. What is mostly forgot is that not only activity
> concentration is of concern for the dose but also the amount of intake!!!
>
> I "hope" that my musings about this theme, will feel RADSAFErs easier to
> find pleasure in not to tightly woven topic nets, discovering the broadness
> of questions associated with Radiation Protection.
>
> With my best regards to all of you!
>
> Franz
>
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> MinRat i.R.
> Habicherg. 31/7
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> AUSTRIA
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Chris
> Steinmann
> Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Dezember 2010 17:04
> An: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Cc: Joel Cehn
> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Chernobyl-land
>
> Franz, do you ever go pig hunting?
>
> 2010/12/17 Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
>
> > Sorry, I cannot really understand your reasoning. Radiation protection
> > experts (how many are there really on RADSAFE?) should understand that
> such
> > a meal would be from the radiation protetcion point of view really
> > negligible. I hope they would have enjoyed it.
> > I myself was travelling in southern Styria in Austria during the
> Chernobyl
> > fallout to take samples for establishing the contamination. One evening I
> > spent in an hotel where the restaurant served among many other delicacies
> > roe deer liver pate, fried red deer with wild mushroom sauce.  Be sure
> that
> > I ordered this menu!!!!!
> >
> > Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> > MinRat i.R.
> > Habicherg. 31/7
> > A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> > AUSTRIA
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Stewart
> Farber
> > Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2010 20:02
> > An: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> > Cc: Joel Cehn
> > Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Chernobyl-land
> >
> > Joel,
> > Hope your lunch during your Chernobyl tour didn't include local wild boar
> > au
> > jus with wild forest mushroom gravy. Yummmm ...Cs.  You wouldn't need
> NaCl
> > when you can have CsCl instead. .:-)
> >
> > Stewart Farber
> >
> > [203] 522-2817
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Joel C. <cehn at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Joel C.
> >  <cehn at aol.com>
> > Subject: [ RadSafe ] Chernobyl-land
> > To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> > Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 12:49 PM
> >
> >
> > Ukraine is looking to turn Chernobyl into a cash-producing tourist spot:
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_ukraine_chernobyl_tourism
> >
> > It has been for some time.  When I was there in 1993, we paid to get
> access
> > to the site (don't remember how much, but a dollar goes real far there).
> > The tour included lunch!
> >
> >
> > Joel
> > joelc at alum.wpi.edu
> >
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