[ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

Tue Nov 2 07:09:28 CDT 2010

After all these comments made with all the bad faith in the World, you guys are still surprised when Joe Public is ignoranlty (with the same bad faith) bashing the nuclear power option !

If quality  scientists like you can't accept a fact (climate is changing, we don't know if this is catastrophic or just bad, but yes Mankind is responsible for emitting surplus CO2 that is causing the warming of the climate) why members of the public should listen to you when you say that Nuclear Energy is good for them and is a solution to Global Warming ? With all good faith, I could simply declare that all we need is to be more effective with the energy consumption and we can do without... I am trying to bring this discussion closer to radsafe topics. Because soon, we will hear that the solution for traffic jam is to increase the number of lanes on a highway or that digging more deep sea oil wells is a solution for the energy crisis...simplistics solutions to complex problems.

My only hope is that my 3 kids are already smarter then this, but sadly enough, they will also be the people carrying the burden of our own poor choices.

Kind regards,

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De : radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] De la part de Maury Siskel
Envoyé : 2 novembre 2010 03:55
À : gelsg at aol.com; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; cooleyguy at yahoo.com
Objet : Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

In accordance with The Instructions, I stopped breathing and held my 
breath in my hands. I became distracted by a passing greenhouse and 
accidentally dropped my breath. Being a bit drowsy, I was not able to 
see where it went -- I've searched all of the floor, under the 
furniture, and in the closet. My dog has been checked, but he is all out 
of breath. I cannot find my breath and am in need of help.
Thanks for your assistance,
Maury&Dog [Maury Siskel  maurysis at peoplepc.com]
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gelsg at aol.com wrote:

>Honest to God, I didn't notice that it was going to the whole list.  I thought I was just replying to Larry.  But it is what I was thinking, so start holding your breath, you climate-change-denier......
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>Jerry
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>From: Guy Cooley <cooleyguy at yahoo.com>
>To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 7:46 pm
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
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>So contrived!
>uy
>gelsg at aol.com wrote:
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>Larry:
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>I almost sent the same email.  (Glad it was you instead.)
>I agree.  A good leader (like Ed) should lead by example.  :-)
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>Jerry Gels
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jess L. Addis III <ajess at clemson.edu>
>To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List' 
>radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:27 pm
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
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>Great idea!  Do us a favor Ed, you go first.
>Larry Addis
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>rom: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
>ent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:31 AM
>o: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>Jerry:
>We must first stop breathing for at least one hour of a day.  Think of how 
>uch CO2 we will save.  First start with the Governments.  However the 
>rees, plants, grass will not appreciate this.
>Ed Baratta
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>rom: "Rosen, Jerry C" <jcrosen at pitt.edu>
>ent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:23 PM
>o: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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>radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
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>>1. The Green House Effect is a recognized scientific fact.
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> 2. It is recognized that CO2 contributes to the phenomenon.
> 3. Modern technology, automobiles, power plants etc. generate CO2.
> 4. The green house effect results in warming of the atmosphere which 
> directly effects climate.
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> Therefore, CO2 and man's actions contribute to climate change.
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> One can argue the degree of contribution but not whether the phenomenon 
> exists.
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> 4. Fact: CO2 is not the only green house gas that is generated by man's 
> activities.
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> 5. Fact: sun spots don't contribute to ocean acidity.
> 6. Fact: There has been a significant change in ocean acidity in the last 
> 150 years.
> 7  Fact: CO2 is the major contributor to ocean acidity.
> 8. Fact: There is already recognizable damage to coral reefs from ocean 
> acidity.
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> Ocean acidity is not far below the level that will result in dissolution 
> of reefs and prevent shell fish from forming shells.
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> So completely ignore climate change but don't plan to go scuba diving on 
> reefs or eat oysters in the future.
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> The potential impact goes far beyond what I've described.
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> Don't worry about that either because we can't afford to make the changes 
> to limit the problem and the full effect may not happen in our life time.
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> Let me get personal. My father-in-law will turn 100 next year. He has a 5 
> year old grandson. This has caused me to rethink my attitude about many 
> things. Mostly, I make decisions which might affect people on a century 
> scale not my projected and somewhat limited life span.
> I worry about bankrupting my children, grandchildren and potential 
> succeeding generations with the national debt. So do a lot of people.
> The people who scream the most about the debt tend to be many of the 
> climate change deniers.
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> Because of the debt, my great grandchildren may not be able to afford 
> food, shelter or clothing, but I don't worry about this because the earth 
> won't be inhabitable anyway.
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> ________________________________________
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu 
> [radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Quastel 
> [maay100 at bgu.ac.il]
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
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> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
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> I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from
> this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements
> that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is
> some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and
> oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that
> climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will
> turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar
> phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be
> seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is
> the proper scientific approach -  but in view of the potentially very
> serious global consequences, it would be wise to keep an open mind on
> the subject and most definitely not rule out the possibility of human
> causation.
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> Mike Quastel
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