[ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

Tue Nov 2 09:36:34 CDT 2010

Absolutely Jim! Methane has at least ten times the "greenhouse" effect
as does carbon dioxide. I agree with this assessment. Now, for the sake
of completeness, should I dare ask if Al and his disciples should
immediately stop consuming meat? And, horrors, if they happen to be
vegans, than their methane emissions would be, how should I put it,
malodorous; not to mention excessive. 

Regards,
John Dixon

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Hardeman
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Not to be indelicate, but Mr. Al's disciples should probably try to do
something about their methane emissions as well ...

Jim Hardeman

>>> "Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH)" <gyf7 at cdc.gov> 11/1/2010 18:23
>>>
That's great Ed. I also "don't do hockey sticks..." It might be worth
the effort for ALL of Mr. Al's disciples to hold their breath for a
long, long, time.

Regards,
John Dixon

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
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Larry:

I'm not a 'Disciple' of Al Gore's climate change.  My recommendation was
for 
those who subscribe to it.

Ed

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> Great idea!  Do us a favor Ed, you go first.
>
> Larry Addis
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond
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> Jerry:
>
> We must first stop breathing for at least one hour of a day.  Think of
how
> much CO2 we will save.  First start with the Governments.  However the
> trees, plants, grass will not appreciate this.
>
> Ed Baratta
>
>
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> From: "Rosen, Jerry C" <jcrosen at pitt.edu>
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>> 1. The Green House Effect is a recognized scientific fact.
>> 2. It is recognized that CO2 contributes to the phenomenon.
>> 3. Modern technology, automobiles, power plants etc. generate CO2.
>> 4. The green house effect results in warming of the atmosphere which
>> directly effects climate.
>>
>> Therefore, CO2 and man's actions contribute to climate change.
>>
>> One can argue the degree of contribution but not whether the
phenomenon
>> exists.
>>
>> 4. Fact: CO2 is not the only green house gas that is generated by
man's
>> activities.
>>
>> 5. Fact: sun spots don't contribute to ocean acidity.
>> 6. Fact: There has been a significant change in ocean acidity in the
last
>> 150 years.
>> 7  Fact: CO2 is the major contributor to ocean acidity.
>> 8. Fact: There is already recognizable damage to coral reefs from
ocean
>> acidity.
>>
>> Ocean acidity is not far below the level that will result in
dissolution
>> of reefs and prevent shell fish from forming shells.
>>
>> So completely ignore climate change but don't plan to go scuba diving
on
>> reefs or eat oysters in the future.
>>
>> The potential impact goes far beyond what I've described.
>>
>> Don't worry about that either because we can't afford to make the
changes
>> to limit the problem and the full effect may not happen in our life
time.
>>
>> Let me get personal. My father-in-law will turn 100 next year. He has
a 5
>> year old grandson. This has caused me to rethink my attitude about
many
>> things. Mostly, I make decisions which might affect people on a
century
>> scale not my projected and somewhat limited life span.
>> I worry about bankrupting my children, grandchildren and potential
>> succeeding generations with the national debt. So do a lot of people.
>> The people who scream the most about the debt tend to be many of the
>> climate change deniers.
>>
>> Because of the debt, my great grandchildren may not be able to afford
>> food, shelter or clothing, but I don't worry about this because the
earth
>> won't be inhabitable anyway.
>>
>>
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>> [radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Quastel
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>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>
>> I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from
>> this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements
>> that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is
>> some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and
>> oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that
>> climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will
>> turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar
>> phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be
>> seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is
>> the proper scientific approach -  but in view of the potentially very
>> serious global consequences, it would be wise to keep an open mind on
>> the subject and most definitely not rule out the possibility of human
>> causation.
>>
>> Mike Quastel
>>
>>
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