[ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind

Doug Aitken jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com
Sat Oct 16 08:22:10 CDT 2010


Howard:
Try and tell that to the automobile industry. And especially the N American
consumer, who feels that a car is not a car unless it has an inefficient V-8
in it........
I am constantly amazed at the apparent resistance to diesel engines in cars
here. The car companies say it is the consumer, but I think it is lack of
will on their part and artificial barriers put in place by the government.

Anyone who travels to Europe will see that about 70% of all cars are small,
efficient diesels. Yet here, the government and media are pushing hybrids
and electrics. But if you look at the "cradle to grave" cost of a hybrid, it
does not make much sense (kinda like the mercury-filled "high efficiency"
light bulbs....).

Simply switching to small diesels would make a major impact on oil
consumption in the US. Take a VW Jetta as an example: 45 mpg easily, and
faster than the equivalent gas-powered Jetta. And room for 5 at a pinch (but
probably 75% of miles ridden in cars are with two or less passengers.....)

So, I am not in favor of switching transportation to an electric base (other
than efficient diesel electric power for heavy haulers), but am very much in
favor of reducing gas-guzzling. 

Oh, and a change in attitude towards public transportation would be a good
thing, too, both from a government and public point of view. 

As for nuclear power: 100% in agreement. It is a disgrace that the US has
fallen so far behind.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Long
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind


Doug,
I like Franz argument that hydrocarbonds are better used for products and
nuclear for energy.

Howard Long 

On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Doug Aitken
<jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:

> Jerry:
> First, I am not a climatologist. And I made no claim of connection. I 
> also said I am skeptical. But I keep an open mind. Which, as Mike 
> mentioned, is a good idea.
> As for the global environment assimilating the "nasty stuff", I would 
> say that perhaps it can, but to the detriment of all living creatures. 
> Perhaps a walk along any shoreline will convince you? The amount of 
> man-made garbage should help convince you we can do better. I suppose 
> the Gulf of Mexico will recover eventually from the oil spill. But the 
> "dead zone" caused by fertilizer runoff via the Mississippi should be 
> seen as a fair indication that nature may have difficulty rebounding 
> from man's detriment. And surely the health effects of industrial 
> pollutants should give us reason to do better?
> And relying on the hope that the global environment can rebound from 
> our detrimental activities is a pretty negative attitude.
> 
> I have worked all my life in the oil industry. And seen first-hand the 
> effects of the poor environmental practices of the past, where 
> drilling waste was casually dumped, oil spills left to 
> "self-remediate" and oil extraction causing massive subsidence (have a 
> look at the East coast of Lake Maracaibo for a fine example). However, 
> this industry currently has a very different attitude towards the 
> environment and makes  major efforts to limit pollution (BP's recent 
> fiasco notwithstanding). But they are still seen as a dirty 
> industry... But little is said of the pollution caused by 
> agro-business's excessive use of fertilizers and pesticides? Most 
> would agree that the net impact of nuclear power is far less than coal
power. But the lobbies keep that rolling along.
> 
> I am not offering any solutions to the environmental problems of the 
> world, as I am in no way qualified to do so. Nor can I offer any idea 
> of what can be considered cost-effective. And any effective action on 
> a large scale will be biased by political interests, with distortion of
priorities.
> 
> But, as a relative layman, I do feel we can do better. And I am pretty 
> sure that you do too.
> 
> Regards
> Doug
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Cohen
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:06 PM
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> List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
> 
> Doug,
> Your comments raise 3 questions:
> 
> 1-  Is there reason to believe that "evidence of global climate 
> change" is not attributable to the current phase of cyclical climate
change?
> 2- Is it possible that the global environment could assimilate 
> whatever man-made  "nasty stuff" is emitted without significant 
> deterioration?,and 3-When you suggest that "we can do better", I 
> wonder ,how can it be determined when things are good enough and any 
> further improvement  is simply not cost-effective? How do we know that 
> we have not already reached that point?
> 
> Jerry Cohen
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Aitken <jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com>
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
> List <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 3:32:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
> 
> Every so often, we seem to get into this "discussion" where some 
> members make rather strong statements about the "global warming" issue 
> (note I don't say "scam", phony science, etc).
> 
> I am skeptical regarding the actual cause being man-made, although it 
> would seem reasonable to say that (1) evidence of global climate 
> change cannot be reasonably denied - from retreating glaciers to 
> regional temperature changes, rainfall, etc... and (2) man is spewing 
> larger than ever quantities of nasty stuff into the atmosphere and 
> water (to the obvious detriment to all living creatures , cutting vast 
> swathes of forest and using our natural resources with little thought to
the future.
> 
> So it would seem to me that any effort to control these human excesses 
> would benefit all of us. I am not a fanatical green, but certainly do 
> think that we can do better, whether or not it would impact climate....
> 
> Regards
> 
> Doug Aitken
> QHSE Advisor, D&M Operations Support
> Schlumberger,
> Drilling & Measurements HQ,
> 300 Schlumberger Drive, MD15,
> Sugar Land, Texas 77478
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond 
> Baratta
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:15 PM
> To: Jerry Cohen; The International Radiation Protection (Health 
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
> 
> Those who are for the new 'religion' of Global Warming are using it to 
> make a profit, i.e. Gore, and the Governments who wishes to make our 
> lives miserable.  I can't believe that the Government is sponsoring 
> the mercury
> (Hg) laden light bulbs.  Previously, they forbade the fluorescent 
> lights that  contained beryllium (Be).
> 
> Ed Baratta
> 
> edmond0033 at comcast.net
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jerry Cohen" <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 2:56 PM
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> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
> 
>> Mike,
>> Of course, you are correct. The climate is changing, but hasn't that 
>> always been the case? Historic evidence shows that the climate is 
>> cyclical in nature and the earth has continually alternated between 
>> "ice ages" and tropical periods.
>> Dr.
>> Fred Singer, has estimated that these cycles last about 1500 years, 
>> and currently increasing global temperatures simply indicate that we 
>> are predictably in an upward phase. In time, this trend will reverse, 
>> and we can start to worry about global cooling again, if we live that 
>> long.
>> To attribute  "global warming" to anthropic (man-made) causes is 
>> somewhat silly.
>> Socialists believe it is due to capitalistic greed. "third world" 
>> nations may believe it is caused by developed counties squandering 
>> our limited resources; and some may think that witchcraft  is to 
>> blame. I never liked witches, so I tend to blame them for everything
thats bad.
>> In all likelihood, global climate change is controlled by cosmic 
>> forces (sunspots, etc) over which man has no control, so maybe we 
>> should just sit back and enjoy it.
>> Jerry Cohen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mike Quastel <maay100 at bgu.ac.il>
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
>> List <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 1:13:31 PM
>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>> 
>> I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from 
>> this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements 
>> that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is 
>> some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and 
>> oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that 
>> climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will 
>> turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar 
>> phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be 
>> seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is 
>> the proper scientific approach
>> - but in view of the potentially very serious global consequences, it 
>> would be wise to keep an open mind on the subject and most definitely 
>> not rule out the possibility of human causation.
>> 
>> Mike Quastel
>> 
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