[ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open mind?

Bourquin, Marty Marty.Bourquin at grace.com
Tue Oct 19 15:28:02 CDT 2010 

And of course, as we all know, there would definitely NOT be any
unintended consequences and we all know for certain that the long term
effects on the crops and water and temperatures etc would only be
positive.

Man has not proven yet that he is capable of determining the potential
outcomes of simple problems let alone something this complex.  This
planet has survived - no - flourished for thousands of years without man
increasing the CO2 levels by billions and billions of tonnes per year
(and the rate of emissions is increasing at an increasing rate).  Why do
we think that we can improve on that record by changing the balance that
has existed for so long? 

 From Merriam_Webster

Pollution - the action of polluting especially by environmental
contamination with man-made waste
Pollute   -  to contaminate (an environment) especially with man-made
waste 



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2X the CO2 (750ppm) would save water, grow crops better and have little
more greenhouse effect. 

Pollution?! 

Howard Long 

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Temporarily ignoring whether or not the rise in temperature is part of
the natural cycle or is being caused by man made factors - is there
anyone on this list that truly believes that putting over 6.2 billion
(with a B) net tonnes per year of CO2 into the atmosphere will not, in
the long term, have deleterious effects? (heating , cooling, turning the
air pink, whatever) Do we all also believe that prohibiting the
discharging of CFCs into the atmosphere was a scam designed to make
money for one group or another? 

Sorry, but I have children and grandchildren who have to live on this
rock - how can I, in good conscience, not oppose polluting the ground,
water and air? 

Marty 

Martin W. Bourquin
Manager - EHS, RSO
W.R. Grace & Co
Chattanooga, TN 37406
423-697-8216 

423-309-1547(m) 





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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Emer, Dudley
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Considering that Venus is the second closest planet to the sun at 67
Mega miles compared to earth's 93 Mega miles and the solar irradiance is
twice earth's at 2600 W/cm^2. I guess one could expect a bit of heating
with any atmosphere that is 90 times as dense as earth's. But comparing
it to earth's global warming is a bit of a stretch. 

Although I bet if you went for a research grant on that theory the IPPC
money would roll in. 

Dudley Emer
Geophysicist
National Security Technologies
Nevada Test Site, Mercury, Nv
702-295-7808 office
702-794-5824 pager
702-521-8577 cell 


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True that. But the average surface temperature is between 450 - 500C,
therefore high CO2 does indeed result in higher temps. 


> Regards 
> Brent Rogers 
> Sydney Australia 
> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA) 

Sent from my iPad 

On 19/10/2010, at 10:21 AM, "Peter Fear" <FEARP at upstate.edu> wrote: 

> But by looking at Wikipedia you should also notice that the atmosphere

of 
> Venus is +95% Carbon Dioxide and Earth's is 0.038%. The "large" 
percentage 
> increase that we have seen is still no where near the amount on Venus.

> 
> Pete 
> 
> 
> Peter Fear 
> Health Physics Technologist 
> SUNY Upstate Medical University 
> Radiation Safety Office 
> 636 UH 
> 750 E. Adams St. 
> Syracuse, NY 13210 
> 
> Phone: (315)464-6510 
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> fearp at upstate.edu 
> 
> 
> 
>>>> Brent Rogers <brent.rogers at optusnet.com.au> 10/19/2010 10:41 AM >>>

> I lack the competence to debate climate science (other than to note 
that 
> they strongly correlate with one's political views) but if you really 
find 
> it "completely false" that increased levels of CO2 increases 
temperature may 
> I suggest you redirect your wikipedia to the planet of Venus? 
> 
> Regards 
> Brent Rogers 
> Sydney Australia 
> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA) 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
> On 18/10/2010, at 8:46 PM, Emilio Martinez 
<emiliommartinez at yahoo.com.ar> 
> wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> Here's an extended version of the graph: 
>> 
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