[ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open mind?

Tue Oct 19 17:38:24 CDT 2010

Marty,
At www.petitionprojrct.org, 32,000 scientists, 9,000 with PhDs in related climate science, you will find the data on which they declare support for MORE CO2.
Respectfully,

Howard Long 

On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:28 PM, "Bourquin, Marty" <Marty.Bourquin at grace.com> wrote:

> And of course, as we all know, there would definitely NOT be any
> unintended consequences and we all know for certain that the long term
> effects on the crops and water and temperatures etc would only be
> positive.
> 
> Man has not proven yet that he is capable of determining the potential
> outcomes of simple problems let alone something this complex.  This
> planet has survived - no - flourished for thousands of years without man
> increasing the CO2 levels by billions and billions of tonnes per year
> (and the rate of emissions is increasing at an increasing rate).  Why do
> we think that we can improve on that record by changing the balance that
> has existed for so long? 
> 
> From Merriam_Webster
> 
> Pollution - the action of polluting especially by environmental
> contamination with man-made waste
> Pollute   -  to contaminate (an environment) especially with man-made
> waste 
> 
> 
> 
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> HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
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> mind?
> 
> 2X the CO2 (750ppm) would save water, grow crops better and have little
> more greenhouse effect. 
> 
> Pollution?! 
> 
> Howard Long 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty Bourquin" <Marty.Bourquin at grace.com>
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:28:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open
> mind? 
> 
> Temporarily ignoring whether or not the rise in temperature is part of
> the natural cycle or is being caused by man made factors - is there
> anyone on this list that truly believes that putting over 6.2 billion
> (with a B) net tonnes per year of CO2 into the atmosphere will not, in
> the long term, have deleterious effects? (heating , cooling, turning the
> air pink, whatever) Do we all also believe that prohibiting the
> discharging of CFCs into the atmosphere was a scam designed to make
> money for one group or another? 
> 
> Sorry, but I have children and grandchildren who have to live on this
> rock - how can I, in good conscience, not oppose polluting the ground,
> water and air? 
> 
> Marty 
> 
> Martin W. Bourquin
> Manager - EHS, RSO
> W.R. Grace & Co
> Chattanooga, TN 37406
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> 
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> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Emer, Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:06 PM
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> mind? 
> 
> Considering that Venus is the second closest planet to the sun at 67
> Mega miles compared to earth's 93 Mega miles and the solar irradiance is
> twice earth's at 2600 W/cm^2. I guess one could expect a bit of heating
> with any atmosphere that is 90 times as dense as earth's. But comparing
> it to earth's global warming is a bit of a stretch. 
> 
> Although I bet if you went for a research grant on that theory the IPPC
> money would roll in. 
> 
> Dudley Emer
> Geophysicist
> National Security Technologies
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brent Rogers
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> mind? 
> 
> True that. But the average surface temperature is between 450 - 500C,
> therefore high CO2 does indeed result in higher temps. 
> 
> 
>> Regards 
>> Brent Rogers 
>> Sydney Australia 
>> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA) 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
> On 19/10/2010, at 10:21 AM, "Peter Fear" <FEARP at upstate.edu> wrote: 
> 
>> But by looking at Wikipedia you should also notice that the atmosphere
> 
> of 
>> Venus is +95% Carbon Dioxide and Earth's is 0.038%. The "large" 
> percentage 
>> increase that we have seen is still no where near the amount on Venus.
> 
>> 
>> Pete 
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Fear 
>> Health Physics Technologist 
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>> 
>> 
>>>>> Brent Rogers <brent.rogers at optusnet.com.au> 10/19/2010 10:41 AM >>>
> 
>> I lack the competence to debate climate science (other than to note 
> that 
>> they strongly correlate with one's political views) but if you really 
> find 
>> it "completely false" that increased levels of CO2 increases 
> temperature may 
>> I suggest you redirect your wikipedia to the planet of Venus? 
>> 
>> Regards 
>> Brent Rogers 
>> Sydney Australia 
>> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA) 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>> On 18/10/2010, at 8:46 PM, Emilio Martinez 
> <emiliommartinez at yahoo.com.ar> 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's an extended version of the graph: 
>>> 
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