[ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open mind?

[Emer, Dudley]

Sorry Brent, I didn't see that message.   My only point was that the
atmospheric composition of Venus and Earth is dramatically different
when looking at CO2 / H2O ratios. The predominant warming mechanism of
Venus is CO2 while Earth's is H20. Interestingly there is some
speculation that Venus is the end result of a runaway global warming and
it's what we may face if the GW theory is proves to be true. 

I too lack the competence in this field to debate the subject, but I can
recognize bad science when I see it.

Dudley Emer
Geophysicist
National Security Technologies
Nevada Test Site, Mercury, Nv
702-295-7808 office
702-794-5824 pager
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brent Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:08 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open
mind?

Unfortunately Dudley, you didn't read the message I was responding to.
That message stated that higher temperatures resulting from increased
CO2 was false (and cited Wikipedia). I merely offered an example where
it isn't false.  Nothing stated nor implied comparing the phenomenon to
global warming of Earth.  In fact I admitted to lacking the competence
necessary to debate the subject

Regards
Brent Rogers

Sent from my iPad

On 19/10/2010, at 6:51 PM, "Emer, Dudley" <EMERDF at nv.doe.gov> wrote:

> Brent, as noted below I believe it was you that started the Venus
train
> of thought with the connection to Venus CO2 and Temps and reference to
> the ultimate source of all human semi-peer reviewed knowledge -
> Wikipedia
> 
> Dudley Emer
> Geophysicist
> National Security Technologies
> Nevada Test Site, Mercury, Nv
> 702-295-7808 office
> 702-794-5824 pager
> 702-521-8577 cell
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brent Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:49 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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> Cc: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open
> mind?
> 
> Dudley said:  "But comparing it to earth's global warming is a bit of
a
> stretch."
> 
> Who did that?
> 
> Regards
> Brent Rogers
> Sydney Australia 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19/10/2010, at 11:05 AM, "Emer, Dudley" <EMERDF at nv.doe.gov> wrote:
> 
>> Considering that Venus is the second closest planet to the sun at 67
>> Mega miles compared to earth's 93 Mega miles and the solar irradiance
> is
>> twice earth's at 2600 W/cm^2.  I guess one could expect a bit of
> heating
>> with any atmosphere that is 90 times as dense as earth's.  But
> comparing
>> it to earth's global warming is a bit of a stretch. 
>> 
>> Although I bet if you went for a research grant on that theory the
> IPPC
>> money would roll in.
>> 
>> Dudley Emer
>> Geophysicist
>> National Security Technologies
>> Nevada Test Site, Mercury, Nv
>> 702-295-7808 office
>> 702-794-5824 pager
>> 702-521-8577 cell
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brent
Rogers
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:54 AM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List
>> Cc: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind Are we keeping an open
>> mind?
>> 
>> True that.  But the average surface temperature is between 450 -
500C,
>> therefore high CO2 does indeed result in higher temps.  
>> 
>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Brent Rogers
>>> Sydney Australia
>>> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 19/10/2010, at 10:21 AM, "Peter Fear" <FEARP at upstate.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> But by looking at Wikipedia you should also notice that the
> atmosphere
>> of
>>> Venus is +95% Carbon Dioxide and Earth's is 0.038%. The "large"
>> percentage
>>> increase that we have seen is still no where near the amount on
> Venus.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter Fear
>>> Health Physics Technologist
>>> SUNY Upstate Medical University
>>> Radiation Safety Office
>>> 636 UH
>>> 750 E. Adams St.
>>> Syracuse, NY 13210
>>> 
>>> Phone: (315)464-6510
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>>> fearp at upstate.edu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Brent Rogers <brent.rogers at optusnet.com.au> 10/19/2010 10:41 AM
>>>> 
>>> I lack the competence to debate climate science (other than to note
>> that
>>> they strongly correlate with one's political views) but if you
really
>> find
>>> it "completely false" that increased levels of CO2 increases
>> temperature may
>>> I suggest you redirect your wikipedia to the planet of Venus?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Brent Rogers
>>> Sydney Australia
>>> (currently on vacation in Hot Springs Arkansas, USA) 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
> 
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