[ RadSafe ] interesting new question

Wed Oct 27 17:13:03 CDT 2010

Franz,
Your respect for "legal" and lawyers suggests they may be different there, but I was alive when they should have been opposed there, too.

Background radiation varies so much that it would seem desireable to change the law to enable radiation without permission up to far below the level of no benefit (about 20 c Sv cumulative / yr?) for medical reasons or security. 

Howard Long 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 12:37 PM, <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:

> RADSAFErs,
> 
> Here we have again an example of a useless discussion: The only important question would be: Is this approach legal or not? If it is not - and in my country it would be absolutely illegal and would cause an outcry of public opinion if it were known - then it has to be stopped at once unconditionally. If it were legal, opponents could only try to have  the relevant regulations reversed. Personal preferences do not count! 
> 
> I think it is a waste of time to discuss opinions like "low doses" as an argument - I remember what a few RADSAFE párticipants call "low dose"! 
> 
> I am waiting for an explanation.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Franz
> 
> ---- Ahmad Al-Ani <ahmadalanimail at yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> 
>> 
>> Kid you not. On a daily bases, we radiation experts spend most of our times 
>> trying to reverse the radio-phobia almost all humans have. 
>> 
>> Regrettably, this situation was a result of experts like you, and perhaps me, 
>> breaching how dangerous radiation is, regardless of the dose. We have to move on 
>> and relief the governments and people of undue burden of their fear of 
>> radiation, and nuclear technology. 
>> 
>> 
>> If you do not want radiation at all, you need to build a house made of lead or 
>> steel, and stay there to avoid natural background. Have you done 
>> your investigation about the doses from these devices, you would understand why 
>> I took such example. 
>> 
>> Ahmad
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dr. Francis Y. Tsang <francistsang at cox.net>
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList 
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>> Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 7:49:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] interesting new question
>> 
>> Come on!  You must be kidding....
>> 
>> Security Cameras produce almost no radiation.  These Vans produce x-ray
>> radiation no matter how low the level.  You just don't irradiation citizens
>> or human beings without their acceptance or knowledge.  Period!
>> 
>> Need to find out how is doing this!
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Ahmad Al-Ani
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:11 AM
>> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] interesting new question
>> 
>> As the doses are so low, what difference would it be from all those security
>> camera's in public areas?
>> 
>> Anyone have access to licensing procedure for these devices? such as
>> guidelines of operation, license application forms and requirements, etc.
>> 
>> Ahmad
>> 
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:58 AST Stabin, Michael wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/19/x-ray-vans-security-measure-invas
>> ion-privacy/?test=latestnews
>>> 
>>> This particular application of radiation raises some interesting new
>> questions in the justification-regulation-optimization philosophy of health
>> physics (I have always thought that optimization comes after regulation,
>> although the ICRP lists them in the opposite order). Exposing unknowing
>> persons to radiation (admittedly low level) to ostensibly prevent terrorism,
>> particularly when the exposed persons may not be citizens of the country
>> doing the irradiatiing, is a new balancing of risks and benefits that has
>> not been part of the normal equation until now. And the balance is different
>> if we are talking about daily screening of everything or particular
>> screening of containers, naval vessels, etc., in the case of a specific,
>> credible risk scenario. Fun stuff philosophically, frightening stuff
>> practically.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Michael G. Stabin, PhD, CHP
>>> Associate Professor of Radiology and Radiological Sciences
>>> Department of Radiology and Radiological Sciences
>>> Vanderbilt University
>>> 1161 21st Avenue South
>>> Nashville, TN 37232-2675
>>> Phone (615) 343-4628
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